My Luci is not feeling well...any one have any opinions?

Kelridge

Kelridge

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I really did not know what title to put on the subject line...Maybe someone has some thoughts on this...

My Girl Luci (5 months) started to not feel well yesterday morning....I fed her her breakfast - but soon threw it back up. She was also very sleepy - Lethargic....I made her some chicken with Rice and Oatmeal at dinner time - she turned her head to it (which is soooooo not like her) but I fed her one handful and then she ate the rest from her bowl. Kept it all down.

Her stool was very soft - but I was at least happy that she was able to go....but she has no energy all day and evening - she even went in her crate on her own in my bedroom and was sleeping....also a first for her!

This morning - she ate her chicken and rice....kept it down - but I noticed that when she would try and get up, it was with a bit more effert - and a couple of times she wimpered and cried.....then I noticed she was limping a bit in the rear......the FIRST thought I has was Lymes...I had not found a tick on her - but she just has all the symptoms.

Got her to the Vet today......saw one of the Dr's I do not really like, but I was glad to be able to get a short notice appt! I mentioned my thoughts on the Lymes - and she said - well it sounds like 'growing pains' which is common is 'these' breeds (that was how it was put to me)....She insisted to x-ray her to see if she ate something she shouldn't have (clothing - dog toy - etc) which I KNEW she didn't - but who was I to argue...She also said she would draw blood - etc.

A few min's later (after hearing Luci SCREAMING in the back room) she came back and said the X-ray was clear....the Lymes was negative (SNAP-4DX test) and gave her a Fluid Therapy injection - an injection for the vomiting (though she only got sick once yesterday - but thats fine...if it helps - thats fine) and wants her on Flagyl for 5 days......and said she is sending out for a Vet-Screen-CBC and will get the results back tomorrow and see if anything else is going on.

The moment she said the Lymes was negative - I STILL did not feel convinced.....This "Pano" - "Growing pains" just did not seem like it fit all that she is going through.......but maybe it is?? Believe me - I was glad to hear it was Negative - BUT I sort of feel like there was nothing really determined.....

I am soooo sorry this is so long....I just felt that I should detail it as best as I could....if anyone has any thoughts - I would LOVE to hear them! There was a suggestion on FB about a FULL TICK PANEL.....but I did not hear that from the Vet - and I assume that is not on the Vet-Screen....

Thanks so much.....as you can tell, I just feel so bad for Luci - she is always SO full of life - I hate seeing her this way!!!!! ~Kathy
 
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Tug

Tug

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I don't know what to tell ya, Hon. Maybe try and get her to see your regular Vet; the one you trust.
Good luck!
 
M & M's Mom Linda

M & M's Mom Linda

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I don't think Pano is such excruciating pain as your Luci is having...it is normally a limp and some pain. Vomiting and diarrhea is not normally a symptom.
Please take her back to the vet you like and trust and ask for further tests.
Lots of healing thoughts send your way.
Please keep us updated!
 
sbarkhouser

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Oh Kathy, I'm so sorry to hear this. It's hard when our little ones are sick and we know it IS something, but the doctor blows it off. But, remember (same as with our children) that you are the MOM, you are around her 24/7, and to trust your instincts. If you feel/sense something is wrong, get another opinion.
 
Lori

Lori

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Sorry I don't have any advice, but maybe post again in the "Maladies and Diseases" thread. You might get more people there. Hope your pup starts to feel better!
 
ardeagold

ardeagold

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Ask the Vet if she did a full tick serology and is having it sent out.

Sometimes the in-office SNAP 4Dx test is wrong. Happened here to our Chance. He tested negative for Lyme...but when the test was sent out, it came back HIGH positive. He also had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever which is not part of the in office test.

Fortunately our Vet suspected Lyme anyway...or something tick-borne, so put him on Amoxicillin until the test results came in. Once they did...and it was positive...Chance was switched to Doxycycline (the drug of choice for those illnesses) for 5 full weeks.

AFTER he completed his meds...he went back in and had a C6 Antibody test for Lyme (blood sent out) to make SURE it was gone.

We had one boy years ago who, even after 6 weeks on Doxy, had to be put back on it for another 6 weeks because the Lyme was still there, and still strong. Having the C6 antibody titer test is imperative after they complete treatment.

I'd suggest you call the Vet back and ask if they did the tick serology. And ask what he did do. Then, if he didn't send blood out...ask that he do so. (And they should have done this the first time, so you might want to mention that you'd prefer NOT to pay another office visit).

These illnesses can be cured fully if they're caught early enough. However, they can also be deadly. So hopefully, it's something easily "fixed".

Also, the Vet could be right, it *could* be a combination of Pano and a stomach virus or something she ate that's upsetting her tummy. Hope you figure it out soon! (But I'd still ask for the full tick serology because I agree with Linda, dogs aren't in that much pain from Pano...limp, yes...screaming, no.)

Sending lots of good thoughts to Luci!

PS...I'm the one who made the comment on FB. We live in a very very high tick-borne illness area, and at least half our dogs have had one illness or another (Ehrlichiosis, Lyme, Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever - even on year round Frontline Plus or K9Advantix)...sometimes two at once. And like I said, the in-house test did NOT always find it. Plus the humans here...including me...have had Lyme and Ehrlichiosis. Not fun.
 
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Pipelineozzy

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M & M's Mom Linda said:
I don't think Pano is such excruciating pain as your Luci is having...it is normally a limp and some pain. Vomiting and diarrhea is not normally a symptom.
Please take her back to the vet you like and trust and ask for further tests.
Lots of healing thoughts send your way.
Please keep us updated!
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Although some dogs can have pano VERY bad, and it can be really severe pain in some cases...you are right that vomiting and diarrhea don't show with pano...it's lameness, with a wide range of degrees. This doesn't sound like pano.
 
pabusinesswoman

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Agreed.. the pano.. Sadie had.. can cause lots of pain but it is just in the bones. Sadie was lame in the one leg with pano for about 2 mo. Then she grew out of it. She would whimper and whine but would not scream.

Could the scream have been from the boodwork or just from distress from the xray.. or even the IV? There sounds like lots of unknowns here. What exactly happened when she "screamed".

The vomiting and loose stools ..... Was she recently around other, strange dogs that she could have caught something viral? Make sure she does not get dehydrated. May have added pumpkin to the diet on here to help with the loose stools.

I also agree with the Lymes.. send it off. It is bad here on the east coast. Even in humans they normally run several lab lyme tests to see if there is a positive. I have not heard any good responses about the in office test. If you have a serioius concern about the Lymes and your gut is leaning towards it, they can put her on a anitbotic regimine until the bloodwork comes back. If it is lymes, improvement should be seen. My vet puts mine on a week of Amoxicylin at any chance there could be lymes. I just feed lots of probiotics thereafter to try to help rebuild the flora.

Donna hit most of the rest on the head. Check with the vet to see if the blood pannel you requested was pulled. If not, I agree with Donna you should have have to repay for the visit since it was not done at the first when requested. I would also ask about the antibiotic while waiting on the bloodwork. If it is lymes, it should start to respond to the antibiotic and show improvement in the interum.

Please keep us posted.
 
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seasett

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first off, Is she fully vaccinated? Gotta make sure that parvo couldn't be lurking.
How lethargic is she? Was she laying in one spot for an extended period of time to where she because sore? Has the limping resolved?
I also agree that you should have serum sent off for tick titers. And if you don't like the regualr vet, maybe have another vet take a look at the xrays. She could have something like HOD that is missed a lot by inexperienced vets.

i hope she starts feeling better soon!
 
Sound Bay Newfs

Sound Bay Newfs

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Poor Luci. Limping can show with pano and lymes, but the lack of appetite and loose stool would concern me and is not very characteristic of those illnesses. You were away last weekend, it is possible that she picked up a bacterial infection or giardia in conjunction with possible pano. Did your vet test a stool sample? If not you could drop one off for testing. I hope she feels better soon.
 
victoria1140

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the snap test isn't always reliable , do the full blood work,

also trust your instincts ,I can worry too much about my dogs but every time I have been concerned I've been right to be and I can generally tell when they arent right way before symptons are obvious so make an appt with regular vet to be on the safe side
 
AngusMcDubhsMom

AngusMcDubhsMom

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I think I'd have a stool sample done, if her stomach is upset. I can't speak to the pain she's feeling, but trust your instincts and take her back to your "trusted" vet. Maybe she'll feel better over the weekend. Prayers for baby Luci and her Momma...I know how worrisome it is when they're feeling bad.
 
KS Newf

KS Newf

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Prayers going out for Luci! Yes, do all the tests being suggested. I am so sorry.
 
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