Grey colored newfoundlands

NinaA

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Can't sleep so I'm catching up on some old threads. Thought I'd mention that after a winter of regular fish oil, Moonlight went through the summer with no itchies. The vet now thinks she just has dry skin and no thyroid or other genetic problems.

Nina
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Murphy

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I was giving Murphy cod liver oil and have now switched to salmon.. He has experienced less skin problems as well.
 
Piratebears

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BydandNewfs said:
Hi I don't post or check in often. However, Leslie made the most important comment of all in my opinion. The genetics are the same for a grey and a cream, they are both created from acceptable colors with a dilute gene being expressed, which is also the same for the landseer markings on a grey and brown. Why are these dogs unacceptable? Completely unfair in my opinion, but then only my opinion.

Michelle
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It is my opinion that SOME people over exaggerate the supposed 'Problems' from grey's to explain why they do dreadful things - such as drown them at birth etc.
Also,the fear of the unknown,people like to look down their noses at people who have them ( Esp in the UK) As though they are disease riddled,and will say that to breed from them is messing with DNA.Its a pitty people dont think this hard about heart / hip problems.
I ate the way people who have never owned a grey can KNOW that they carry skin / heart problems etc -hello - NEWFS have skin / heart problems! there a re a much smaller percentage of greys so if a higher percentage get heart / skin problems then we should look to the blacks in their lines to see if its a line problem,not automaticly put it down to coat colour.
GREYISM - My pet hate!
For the record,neith of my Grey have CDA,Skin problems OR HEART problems.My bitch is ED Clear,flow rate 1.38.Yes,they get hot spots -no more than my brown or blacks.
Grrrr
Rant over.
 
Piratebears

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puppylove1 said:
just finished talking to a breeder regarding greys and she believes that the grey has a tendency to have heart problems they need to be watched very closely. Also she said that the thinning of the hair on the ears is a sign of heart problems. Not sure how true this is but I found it interesting
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I was also told that greys get cancer more often - Please !
Double Grrrrrr . . . . .

Did you know that more blacks get Cruciate problems than any other ? (Note to self - 'Dont get a black,just in case) PMSL
 
Lkorzen

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Very interesting thread as we will be adding a little grey girl to our family on Friday! She is one of two greys in a litter of 7 blacks. The grey male is absolutely stunning, awesome head, great movement and amazing blue eyes however, he already has a couple of balding spots on his ears. Our little girl, Madison, has the same coat as the blacks with the exception of the color. She is by far the runt of the litter but isn't fearful or nervous.

Are there things I should be asking my breeder and/or vet in regards to this little lady? She is going to the vet on Friday for first shots and an official weigh in (unofficially she weighed in yesterday at 18lbs). She is very sweet and we are so looking forward to her joing our pack. She is also the closest thing to my own child as I will ever be able to have. I was there when she was born and took the night shifts for the first few days. I feel so lucky to have her in my life.
 
padkins

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Lkorzen said:
Very interesting thread as we will be adding a little grey girl to our family on Friday! She is one of two greys in a litter of 7 blacks. The grey male is absolutely stunning, awesome head, great movement and amazing blue eyes however, he already has a couple of balding spots on his ears. Our little girl, Madison, has the same coat as the blacks with the exception of the color. She is by far the runt of the litter but isn't fearful or nervous.

Are there things I should be asking my breeder and/or vet in regards to this little lady? She is going to the vet on Friday for first shots and an official weigh in (unofficially she weighed in yesterday at 18lbs). She is very sweet and we are so looking forward to her joing our pack. She is also the closest thing to my own child as I will ever be able to have. I was there when she was born and took the night shifts for the first few days. I feel so lucky to have her in my life.
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Congratulations on the new addition. We need many, many pictures of Madison! :D
 
HankTheTank

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When I got Henrys puppy pictures yesterday the breeder told me that his color (beige) is really rare - only about 1 in every 500,000 newf births are that color.
 
BluwaterNewfs

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Sun Valley said:
Um...beige is not a rare color...it's a dilute of gray and brown genes

Lou Ann
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And NOT an acceptable color by Newfoundland standard.

I hate to bring this up, when a breeder puts it out there that this is a rare color, that is a big red flag to me.
 
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HankTheTank

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Acceptable or not - I love the color and it's always the first thing people comment about and say how beautiful it is. Who cares if it's not "up to standard". And it IS rare - you don't see many of them around. When people think Newf they think black or black and white, not beige/grey.
 
Sun Valley

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The reason you don't see many that color is because most breeders, other then people who DON'T know what is behind their dogs are not breeding for that color and do not or should not be breeding so many color combination's in a pedigree.

Lou Ann
 
HankTheTank

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Sun Valley said:
people who DON'T know what is behind their dogs
Lou Ann
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I'm sorry that I don't know everything behind the Newfoundland breed and that I love the breed not because of their colors - or lack there of - but because of what they are known for - being "gentle giants". Ever since I can remember I've loved them. My Grandmothers neighbor had one and I loved him and wanted one ever since. I was lucky enough to be able to offer Henry a good home after having to leave two previous homes for whatever reason. I'm sorry that you look down on newfs that don't fit the "standard" for whatever reason you have against them - I just hope you don't treat people that way too.
 
Piratebears

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Hankthetank - I dont think anyone is trying to be mean or anything - its just there are some people out there who will do things to make a quick buck ( not saying your new babies owners are like that ) .
Believe me - i LOVE the greys! i own two! however,I would still do everything in my power to avoid breeding a grey deliberatly.Simply because it is a recessive,and we dont know what problems might be unleashed - more so with a cream - a recessive from a recessive colour - so twice the opportunity for problems.They can have CDA (Baldness from the dilute gene - mine dont,but it can happen) - so as with a Newf with any other health defect you would weigh up the 'good' and 'bad' points and try to match the best pairing.This can be seen as a bad point,but in the same way a breeding scheme might sometimes include a dog with less than perfect hips because they can offer a lot more to the breed - occasionally this can happen with a grey
 
Sun Valley

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I have produced grays and have no problems with them...what I don't like is someone being told beige or any other color not in the standard is a rare color. That is just false information.

LA
 
sendchocolate

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Could it be the color is rare because of the fact it is recessive? Whether good or bad? IS the breeder breeding for that color, or did she just GET that color in a litter? That would make all the difference to me.
 
cedarvalleynewfoundlands

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sendchocolate said:
Could it be the color is rare because of the fact it is recessive? Whether good or bad? IS the breeder breeding for that color, or did she just GET that color in a litter? That would make all the difference to me.
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Recessives arent rare. Not all breeders breed for all colors, but recessives arent rare at all. Whether she got "off colors" on purpose, or they just "appeared"....it would be a huge red flag to me. A breeder SHOULD know what colors to expect from their breedings. Not knowing what colors to expect means not knowing anything about your pedigrees, or not even knowing basic genetics, and a good breeder should know both. In any given litter you shouldnt be expecting gray and white, brown and white, cream etc. If that IS what you are expecting, then you arent making sound or knowledgable breeding choices. What would worry me is that if they arent careful enough to have a pretty good idea of what to expect in color, what else arent they being careful about? I dont know of any reputable breeder that ever breeds for a non-standard color
 
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