Grey colored newfoundlands
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Sound Bay Newfs
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That does sound odd to me too that your breeder would correlate the grey color with heart problems. You might ask if she does heart checks on her dogs as maybe heart defects are in her lines regardless of color.
puppylove1
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Yes she does do heart checks. I had a dog from her before and she lived to be over 13 years old. No heart condition at all. She was telling me this not only from her experience with them but others that she knew.
She did say that not ALL greys and of course NOT all balding ears but that is another reason to check and recheck just to make sure all is well.
She did say that not ALL greys and of course NOT all balding ears but that is another reason to check and recheck just to make sure all is well.
sarnewfie
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i think your breeder is wrong, but, that is just my opinion, i think heart problems are just as prevelant in blacks, in fact, the greys i have known, including my own total 10 up north none of them had heart trouble, and, out of the blacks i knew, 2 had heart trouble, one was on our SAR team and died at 3 from SAS out of Tug Boat
the other outlived what doctors said he would, he had SAS and lived to 8 years.
i think it strange that it be said just greys would have this, but, than i have heard a lot o strange stuff said anyway!
the other outlived what doctors said he would, he had SAS and lived to 8 years.
i think it strange that it be said just greys would have this, but, than i have heard a lot o strange stuff said anyway!
Heart issues are present due to genetics, not related to color of the dog. The balding is a specific gene, as I and other people have said, some have a normal newf coat, and some have this "balding gene" (as many breeders call it. The techinical name is : Color Dilution Alopecia (CDA). If you do a search on it you can find all kinds of research people are doing and have done on the subject.
NinaA
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Can't believe I just found this thread, because I have a gray and white from the same breeder. Moonlight does not have any heart problems (she's 2 +) and she doesn't have leather ears, although the hair on her ears was thinner as a pup. As she grew up her hair did get darker. She has beautiful green eyes. Her coat is not heavy, which actually is very convenient since it gets so hot here. She still has a nice coat and I don't care anyway. She couldn't be shown, so she has been spayed, which also could have affected her coat. She does have some skin issues - her back gets itchy in the summer. I give her fish oil which helps it quite a bit. Hope your pup turns out as well as she has.
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puppylove1
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I was just going to comment on that we got (or will have by this time tomorrow) grey's from the same breeder. She did tell me that the coat is different from the black.... now to hear that it is not as heavy is actually a good thing.... my poor Bull (black) has been panting since the start of this heat! Here is the picture I posted on another thread young grey and white but I know she will darken up :-(
but I will love her anyway!
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but I will love her anyway!
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NinaA
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The gray color changes from season to season. Is actually darker in the summer. I think the undercoat which is heavier in the winter makes her look lighter. But, she has less undercoat, and in fact doesn't need much trimming at all except feet, ears and tail. Oh, she also has what I think they call yak hair - which is longer guard hair kind of - when you see it, you'll know it. Still no biggie as far as I'm concerned.
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xavier
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I've got a lot of photos of unusually colored Newfs (many from here on NN) at http://members12.clubphoto.com/gomez594628/1239423/owner-b4a0.phtml .
I'm way behind on adding some more that I have, a couple of them showing a grey and black together for contrast.
puppylover1- I'd like to add that one of yours sitting on the chair if it's OK with you. I'll put anything in the caption you want.
I'm way behind on adding some more that I have, a couple of them showing a grey and black together for contrast.
puppylover1- I'd like to add that one of yours sitting on the chair if it's OK with you. I'll put anything in the caption you want.
BydandNewfs
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Hi I don't post or check in often. However, Leslie made the most important comment of all in my opinion. The genetics are the same for a grey and a cream, they are both created from acceptable colors with a dilute gene being expressed, which is also the same for the landseer markings on a grey and brown. Why are these dogs unacceptable? Completely unfair in my opinion, but then only my opinion.
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Ivoryudx
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A grey is acceptable here in the U.S., although not real common. I'm not sure why a cream is not, except for the possible fact that it would be a double recessive. Since brown is a recessive already, to get a cream, it would be double recessive. IMO, breeding for double recessive COLORS in general, is not what breeders should be working towards. There are far more other things of more importance to breed for.
As far as Landseer markings on a grey and brown, they are DOUBLE recessives, given that Landseer is also a recessive. Overall, this increases the possibility of producing other, less than desirable, recessives that may not be as visible.
JMO,
As far as Landseer markings on a grey and brown, they are DOUBLE recessives, given that Landseer is also a recessive. Overall, this increases the possibility of producing other, less than desirable, recessives that may not be as visible.
JMO,
PamKevH
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I have a 10 month old (off color) Newfoundland. I am told she is cream but she looks more like grey. Acutally I think she looks like a brown towl that got bleached. Is that cream? My only problem I have with her other than cherry eyes is how to fill out paperwork on her when asked what color is she. 
I constantly have people ask me, what is she? We love her all the same and more.
Just to add her "mom" was black and her "dad" was brown.
I constantly have people ask me, what is she? We love her all the same and more. Just to add her "mom" was black and her "dad" was brown.
BydandNewfs
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"Looks like a brown towel that got bleached."
Yep, sounds like a cream. On your AKC reg form that you are filling out at the bottom where it wants you to put in a color code...for a cream pup, go to AKC's web site, and look up the color codes under the registration area. It will give you a 3 digit code to put in the box. If your pup is 10 months now, don't delay if you do intend to register, after about year, you will be charged a late fee.
Michelle
Oh, the AKC forms only include the common colors, you will find a vareity of registerable colors on AKC's site.
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Yep, sounds like a cream. On your AKC reg form that you are filling out at the bottom where it wants you to put in a color code...for a cream pup, go to AKC's web site, and look up the color codes under the registration area. It will give you a 3 digit code to put in the box. If your pup is 10 months now, don't delay if you do intend to register, after about year, you will be charged a late fee.
Michelle
Oh, the AKC forms only include the common colors, you will find a vareity of registerable colors on AKC's site.
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Piratebears
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I have a Grey thats almost 2.Greys arent acceptable here in the U.k and there are not many of them.I think they are gorgeous.I cant stop looking at him even now !
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PamKevH
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Regarding Belle - my bleached brown towel cream colored Newf, I am alittle slow to reply, sorry. She is papered and as a cream. Paperwork I have to fill out on her include vets offices, dog wash place, obedience school, etc. Her "mom" was black and her "dad" was brown. She does have a small spot on each ear where there is no fur and her tummy is more bare than most dogs.
She was checked for heart problems as a 6 week old and passed and hopefully will not develop any. She has had 3 eye surgeries for cherry eyes and now has entropion. Her lower lid is turning in and scratching her cornea. Hopefully she will do well with more eye drops but if not she is heading back for surgery number 4. She has a great dispostion and we would not trade her for the world. I love the fact the she gets so much attention because people are not used to seeing a "cream" colored Newf.
She was checked for heart problems as a 6 week old and passed and hopefully will not develop any. She has had 3 eye surgeries for cherry eyes and now has entropion. Her lower lid is turning in and scratching her cornea. Hopefully she will do well with more eye drops but if not she is heading back for surgery number 4. She has a great dispostion and we would not trade her for the world. I love the fact the she gets so much attention because people are not used to seeing a "cream" colored Newf.
