NN-Hannah had a seizure this morning

ladybugnessa

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Hannah is my newf wannabe. she's darling she's almost 7 and has had seizures for many years now. Over the years we've had to up her pheonbarb to the point where now she gets 75 mg twice a day.


a few weeks ago she had a seizure.

this morning she had a 'mild' seizure. I heard her fall I didn't pay much attention to it I thought she was playing with Harley, till my chair started to shake... she had control of her tail and her head but the rest of her was stiff and shaking. I sat on the floor and held her head and pet her while we waited for the seizure to pass.

I'm thinking it's time to up her meds again....

anyone else have a dog (newf or otherwise) that has seizures?
 

zennewf

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Poor Hannah, it's good you were there. I have never seen a seizure in a dog, so no experience here.
 

luvxl k 9

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Wow this is weird. Sassy had a major seizure last night. It was so violent I thought we were going to lose her. This morning she is fine or as fine as she has been. She's had a fatty tumor growing under her left armpit for the last two years. Two years ago we had it taken out, the vet thought it was the size of a plum then, but turned out to be bigger than a large grapefruit. Now it is HUGE, but she had such a hard time of it when she was 8 recovering, there is no way we want to put her through that again now that she is over 10. Plus last time it was back to the original size within a couple of months. I've been told to get her in and get her on anti-seizure medicine. So will try to get her into the vets this afternoon. For the last year or so I've been giving her the same Glucosamine/Condroitin/MSM tabs that I give the boys every night and that has really seemed to help a lot at least as far as keep her joints loose and her swelling down to a minimum around the tumor.
 

ladybugnessa

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So sorry to hear about her seizures.

Have you tried also giving her Melatonin at night?

no i have not. how would this help the seizures?


I'm thinking of adding Potasium Bromide to her drug cocktail. I'll talk to the vet when we go in...
 

ladybugnessa

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Wow this is weird. Sassy had a major seizure last night. It was so violent I thought we were going to lose her. This morning she is fine or as fine as she has been. She's had a fatty tumor growing under her left armpit for the last two years. Two years ago we had it taken out, the vet thought it was the size of a plum then, but turned out to be bigger than a large grapefruit. Now it is HUGE, but she had such a hard time of it when she was 8 recovering, there is no way we want to put her through that again now that she is over 10. Plus last time it was back to the original size within a couple of months. I've been told to get her in and get her on anti-seizure medicine. So will try to get her into the vets this afternoon. For the last year or so I've been giving her the same Glucosamine/Condroitin/MSM tabs that I give the boys every night and that has really seemed to help a lot at least as far as keep her joints loose and her swelling down to a minimum around the tumor.
if a dog is not uncomfortable or their health and life is not threatened then at 10 i'm not sure i would do the surgery either.
 

Liisa

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My Yeti had seizures. We opted to treat with Potassium Bromide instead of Phenobarb. We had great success for a while.

However.... before you decide on Potassium Bromide. Ask your vet about the link between Potassium Bromide and Megaesophagus. If the vet says their isn't one, do some research on your own. Or better yet, take the research with you.... Better to know all the risks up front.
 

NewfLove

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I'm so sorry about this. I have never seen a dog with seizurse, but I'm sure it is very scary.

Regarding the possible potassium bromide and megaesophagus relationship, please do check this out. Megaesophagus is what eventually killed Allie and it was an evil, miserable disease.

Sending good thoughts your way.
 

KodysGrandma

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Never had a Newf with seizures but have had a big lab. He did fine on the pheno barb. Also have had some smaller dogs and they all lived to ripe old ages. It is scary though walking between so much medicine they're squonked out and too litte where they still seize. A hard road.
 

Lori

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Hi,

My first newfie girl, Chelsea, had epilepsy. We started on Phenobarb and eventually moved to Potassium Bromide (Kbr). We got her Kbr compounded for her at a compounding pharmacy. My vet didn't want it flavored. They can get kind of zonked out in the beginning, till you get the dosage right and their body adjusts. We gave her the meds in vanilla yogurt, twice a day. All I had to do was open the yogurt container and I had two newfy faces staring at me, starting to drool! (Chance had to get some yogurt too, without meds of course). Also get some Rescue Remedy drops. We gave them after seizures, either dropped on her tongue or rubbed some on the inside bottom of her ears. And vanilla ice cream after a seizure (I know it sounds funny but it works) would help her come around quicker. She did a lot of pacing after seizures and I would put a beach towel under her and use it as a sling to help her walk. She would be unsteady on her feet and we think was blind sometimes for a while after. It's helpful to start a journal about when seizures occur, how long they last, how long it takes them to come around, what they were doing before it happened, etc. The vet will need all this info.

The best place for info is the Epil-K9 group. They were wonderful and very helpful. Look up info about diet for dogs with seizures. There is info now that it can play a big part.

It's so hard watching them seizing. I would just talk to her and make sure she didn't hurt herself. I just hoped maybe she could hear my voice thru it all. I never slept good because I was always listening for every little noise and the dreaded "thunk" of her hitting the floor when one started. Oh and make sure you ask what to do if she has clusters of seizures. They may need to be taken to the vet or you may need to have stronger meds at home. If one lasts too long, it could possibly go into "status epilepticus" and this can be very dangerous. We had valium suppositories on hand for this just in case. Don't mean to scare anyone, its just a hard thing for them and you to go thru and the more you know, the better.

Good luck to you and all your furbabies. I know what you are going thru.
 

BLCOLE

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We had a Labrador on Dilantin for many years. It got to the point that he would come "beg" for one when he felt a seizure coming on. Its suprising how smart they are...
 

victoria1140

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our Jack Russel is on Vetmedin for seizures, very scary at first as we had to carry her home quite a few times when she fitted outside, we have them under control and we always try to keep her calm and quick slug of valium or whiskey for our nerves as the calmer we were when she came out of them the quicker for recovery period. Sweet stuff definetly helps after fit and every fit in the house we switch on a tape recorder kept specially that plays calming music and we also draw curtains so that she can wake up in dimmer light so she just thinks she's gone to sleep for a bit as she is confused after each fit.
 

Prdmary

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Potassium Bromide should probably be the first drug of choice for treatment of seizures because it will not cause liver damage like the Phenobarbitol, but, if already on Phenobarbitol, you can use it in conjunction with Phenobarbitol and sometimes reduce the amount of Phenobarbitol or sometimes, even eliminate Phenobarbitol completely. This all must be monitored closely though by your vet--blood levels checked often. Potassium Bromide usually takes about 3-4 months to reach it's full effectiveness whereas Phenobarbitol is quick acting. To monitor possible liver damage with Phenobarbitol, pre and post bile acid tests should be done about every 3-4 months. If there is liver damage from this and you catch it early, it is often reversible. Dr. Jean Dodds has a very good "Liver cleansing diet" using Milk Thistle available.

There is also a specific rectal/oral valium protocol for emergency treatment of clustering seizures........if they are happening frequently, this is good to have on hand.

Melatonin is a hormone that is naturally found in the body and is involved in telling the body when to sleep and when to wake. It has been found to help especially with dogs that seize between 11:00 pm and 6:00 am by either reducing the frequency or severity. *I truly believe in this because when my mother was dying from her brain tumor, the neurologist had suggested the Melatonin for her at night to "help with the seizures".....and it made a world of difference! (Melatonin has also been found to be helpful with dogs who have sound phobias such as with fireworks and thunder. ) Recommended dose is 3 mg/35-100 lbs 1 hr before bedtime. You want to use the Natural made kind and not time released. (It is a great sleep aid for humans too.)

A dog's blood sugar drops drastically during a seizure and they will burn a TON of calories. The ice cream after a seizure will help to raise the blood sugar. Haagen Dazs is recommended because it does not have any preservatives.....vanilla flavor. Why use ice cream rather than honey or syrup? Well, if you give them too much sugar too fast, it can cause their sugar to elevate too fast and trigger another seizure. The sugar in the ice cream is suspended in fat and will get into their system at a slower, safer rate. (>100lbs = 1/4 cup) If they commonly demonstrate pre-seizure activity, sometimes giving them a couple of spoonfuls of ice cream then can prevent the seizure. It is also recommended that once they are awake & oriented enough after a seizure to feed them carbohydrates (ex. kibble/crackers, etc) because of all of the calories that they have just burned. Feed small amounts to be sure they can handle it at first. This will help their recovery also. For travel, you can mix butter and honey together to feed your dog......again, the fat from the butter will slow the sugar processing. (People also often add a few drops of Rescue Remedy to the ice cream.)

Finally, it has been found that placing an ice pack between the middle of the thoracic vertebrae and the middle of the lumbar vertebrae during a seizure can help to reduce the length/severity of it. A large zip lock bag full of ice works great. (Frozen peas/corn does not work as well.) Just press it firmly to their back throughout the seizure.



You should sort of have a seizure emergency PLAN......have the ice pack made in the freezer ready to go.....vanilla ice cream in the freezer......towels for the head to prevent injury.....towels to catch the urine/feces. And, if available, the oral and rectum valium.

This may be info that you are already familiar with.........just thought I'd share and hope it helps. Seizures are extremely hard to watch........and I feel for you and your girl.
 
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Lkorzen

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Prdmary said it all!!!

But I just wanted to send you our support as well. We had a foster rottie (who later became our adopted rottie) who suffered from seizures. He was also deaf...the theory was that in his first "home" and I use those words loosely, he suffered from ear mites, a very treatable condition, that went untreated so long that not only did it cause his deafness but also his seizures. So we know where you are coming from.

It is so hard to watch our babies suffer. Please know your in our thoughts and prayers.
 

Snowden

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Potassium Bromide should probably be the first drug of choice for treatment of seizures because it will not cause liver damage like the Phenobarbitol, but, if already on Phenobarbitol, you can use it in conjunction with Phenobarbitol and sometimes reduce the amount of Phenobarbitol or sometimes, even eliminate Phenobarbitol completely. This all must be monitored closely though by your vet--blood levels checked often. Potassium Bromide usually takes about 3-4 months to reach it's full effectiveness whereas Phenobarbitol is quick acting. To monitor possible liver damage with Phenobarbitol, pre and post bile acid tests should be done about every 3-4 months. If there is liver damage from this and you catch it early, it is often reversible. Dr. Jean Dodds has a very good "Liver cleansing diet" using Milk Thistle available.

There is also a specific rectal/oral valium protocol for emergency treatment of clustering seizures........if they are happening frequently, this is good to have on hand.

Melatonin is a hormone that is naturally found in the body and is involved in telling the body when to sleep and when to wake. It has been found to help especially with dogs that seize between 11:00 pm and 6:00 am by either reducing the frequency or severity. *I truly believe in this because when my mother was dying from her brain tumor, the neurologist had suggested the Melatonin for her at night to "help with the seizures".....and it made a world of difference! (Melatonin has also been found to be helpful with dogs who have sound phobias such as with fireworks and thunder. ) Recommended dose is 3 mg/35-100 lbs 1 hr before bedtime. You want to use the Natural made kind and not time released. (It is a great sleep aid for humans too.)

A dog's blood sugar drops drastically during a seizure and they will burn a TON of calories. The ice cream after a seizure will help to raise the blood sugar. Haagen Dazs is recommended because it does not have any preservatives.....vanilla flavor. Why use ice cream rather than honey or syrup? Well, if you give them too much sugar too fast, it can cause their sugar to elevate too fast and trigger another seizure. The sugar in the ice cream is suspended in fat and will get into their system at a slower, safer rate. (>100lbs = 1/4 cup) If they commonly demonstrate pre-seizure activity, sometimes giving them a couple of spoonfuls of ice cream then can prevent the seizure. It is also recommended that once they are awake & oriented enough after a seizure to feed them carbohydrates (ex. kibble/crackers, etc) because of all of the calories that they have just burned. Feed small amounts to be sure they can handle it at first. This will help their recovery also. For travel, you can mix butter and honey together to feed your dog......again, the fat from the butter will slow the sugar processing. (People also often add a few drops of Rescue Remedy to the ice cream.)

Finally, it has been found that placing an ice pack between the middle of the thoracic vertebrae and the middle of the lumbar vertebrae during a seizure can help to reduce the length/severity of it. A large zip lock bag full of ice works great. (Frozen peas/corn does not work as well.) Just press it firmly to their back throughout the seizure.



You should sort of have a seizure emergency PLAN......have the ice pack made in the freezer ready to go.....vanilla ice cream in the freezer......towels for the head to prevent injury.....towels to catch the urine/feces. And, if available, the oral and rectum valium.

This may be info that you are already familiar with.........just thought I'd share and hope it helps. Seizures are extremely hard to watch........and I feel for you and your girl.

The above is great advice! I just put Van Gogh on Potassium Bromide (Thursday last week). He was a bit zombi - ish for the 1st 48 hours but is now himself again. My heart goes out to you:heart:. I know how hard it is to watch them have seizures. When its happening it feels like the seizure is not going to end and that your going to lose them right there. Vanilla ice cream has been a god send. Now that he is on meds I mix them in the ice cream every night. Van loves it! Take care and know that we are here to help you through this :hugs:

Lindsey
 

R Taft

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Poor nessa, it does all happen to you...............All the previous posts are very helpful and full of information from some very knowledgable folks. I will just give you and hannah a :grouphug: and will be thinking of you
 

Liisa

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Has anyone had success with the ice pack applied to the back? We had tried a couple of times using that on Yeti and it didn't seem to make any difference at all.... Just wondering.
 

ladybugnessa

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maybe i'm under reacting...

hannah's seizures even at her very worst (over 3 years ago):

never had her unconscious
never had her urinate or defecate
never left her disoriented or unable to walk for more than 2-3 minutes
and except for the one time she could not stop seizing for 72 hours (she was at the vet while this happened) don't even last for 3 minutes (it just seems like an hour to us)
 
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