Looking for Breeder of Serious WORKING Newfs

[Tara B]

I am in the process if looking for my next dog. I am looking at 2012 which will give me a lot of time to find the perfect dog for what i want.

I want a working dog first and foremost: Draft, Water, Agility, Rally, Obedience and so on. I am becoming more and more serious about competitive obedience and have my heart set on an OTCH or even MOTCH title.

Luna, my current newf is an amazing working dog. She has many titles already and we are working towards our CDX. Although she is a great worker she does not have a lot of drive or stamina for obedience and i can't see her doing both a utility and open run back to back.

I have been looking at Black Russian Terriers as maybe my next dog. But i just love my Newfies...........

I am thinking i should concentrate on finding a breeder who breeds amazing working dogs - a kennel with lots of obedience titles.

Can anyone recommend a good kennel for working dogs (i will also want to show in confirmation).

I live in Guelph, Ontario and would not mind going to the states to find a dog - actually a CKC/AKC registered dog would be great.

Any suggestions would be great!

Thanks!

 

[Angela]

Have you contacted the guy who has Marcarpents Deanna MOTCH? They are somewhere in Ontario, he may be able to help you.

 

[Tara B]

That's right..... good idea!

 

[Newfs Forever]

sorry, but what is "MOTCH"?

 

[Angela]

Master Obedience Trial Champion. (Canadian)

Tara, contact Anne, AngusMcDubhsMom,. She told me a very interesting story of when meeting him, I think his name is Howard, and watched how he picked Deanna out of the litter as a suitable competative obedience dog. Certainly no other Newf in Canada has ever got that title.

btw, If you want a MOTCH you could get a Golden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tara B]

Master Obedience Trial Champion. (Canadian)

Tara, contact Anne, AngusMcDubhsMom,. She told me a very interesting story of when meeting him, I think his name is Howard, and watched how he picked Deanna out of the litter as a suitable competative obedience dog. Certainly no other Newf in Canada has ever got that title.

btw, If you want a MOTCH you could get a Golden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, but EVERYONE has Goldens! When i go to a show i like being the only person with a newf... I prefer the rare breeds and enjoy campaigning them. That's why i was looking at Black Russian Terriers as well.

 

[Blacknewfs]

In terms of working ability, clearly you are not too far off the mark with Luna's breeder, or other related kennels. Dogs from these kennels are working dogs, built to do what Newfs do.

Going beyond typical working dog titles, I would say the real challenge is selecting the correct dog from a litter. No matter what breeder they come from, they need to have the right personality -- not every dog in a litter is destined to excel in this way. The trick is being able to identify the one that will.

Or like Angela said, you could get a golden!

 

[ardeagold]

Yep..get a Golden! But once again, you have to pick the right lines! I know some........... in fact here's one you might be interested in. Not "everybody" has a dog like this. He's a CH Field Trial dog, a CH show dog, and an OTCH dog...the only living Triple Champion Golden in Canada. FT/AFTCH, CH, OTCH Firemark's Push Comes to Shove. (Push)

There hadn't been a dual CH in Canada in 26 years and there hasn't been one in the US in about 30. Much less a triple CH.

http://www.ambertrail.com/pushstuddog.html

Goldens really do well with Newfs. They tend to energize them, and make them more competitive, and are great for training partners to build up the Newf's stamina and endurance. So your Golden may just get your Newf doing more than you think she can!

Our Goldens have taught most of our Newfs how to swim, dive and retrieve. And keep them running and fit.

 

[janices]

Carol Giffhorn, River King Newf Club, has an OTCH newf. You may want to contact her also.

 

[BluwaterNewfs]

Here is the link to the NCA page with VN's listed, although the last couple years is not there. But you sure can get an idea of which kennels are producing good working dogs. THat doesn't mean that kennels that have not a produced any VN's don't have good working dogs that just may never be in working homes.

http://www.ncanewfs.org/hof/dogs/VN.html

 

[CMDRTED]

Sent you a PM, regarding better working dog breeders in our area.

 

[curry]

I love BRTs as well as Newfs.

I was looking at getting a Black Russian terrier before I got Odin, my newf.

...I still would like to get one though.

 

[Ivoryudx]

Personally, I believe the best thing to do is to find a breeder who breeds for sound body/ temperament and consistently produces it. Then look for the one who you like and get a long well with. This should be long term friendly relationship. Once that is determined you need a breeder who works with you to find the best working pup they are producing and are willing to place it with you.

One thing to keep in mind of the few U.S. OTCH Newfs out there, they all come from different lines of Newfoundlands. None from the same kennel. Their owners did a lot of work to get to that level. Some were natural Obedience workers, learning things very easily, while others were not, but a lot of work went into each.

You might get some really good information if you talk with the people who have put advanced Obed titles on Newfs or other breeds. Ask them what it was about the pup that they think made them what they became. Then look for that in a puppy and don't be set that it will be your 'next' puppy, because it might not be. It may take a few pups and many years down the road before you find the right puppy and life interruptions don't keep you from going all the way.

Good Luck in your search, knowing what you want is half the battle!

 

[Capri]

We breed "serious working newfies" . I will write a longer story about our weekend on NN after I've gone through all our pictures, but for example just this weekend we went to Italy to train with the SICS (the real lifesaving organization) and had our Vera and our Al (our Ruuti's sister) do a helicopter jump & rescue with us.


So in general when you look for a versatile newfie (working AND shows), you should look at the structure and temperament:
-is the structure extremely well built and balanced to be able to manage the working (water & draft). If it is, that should be the structure that will win in shows too.
BUT don't do the opposite: don't look for show winners and assume they have the correct build, as most of them tend to be exaggerated in structure, making it very difficult (and not pleasant) for working.

-does the newfie (BOTH parents) have enough temperament to LOVE to work with you. You are definitely looking for a newfie with A LOT of temperament that you can harness into the will to please you, and into working stamina. You won't be able to achieve the titles with a newfie that barely likes to move, or that doesn't want to work with you!

-is the newfie active enough (BOTH parents), built for action, not to be a sofa potato .

-does the newfie LOVE water, can it swim properly (in the good position for long distances) (BOTH parents), as if it doesn't, it won't be able to do waterwork properly.

There's A LOT to think about. Write a list about it, and remember to check BOTH parents. Not just the easier mum's side .

 

[BluwaterNewfs]

Personally, I believe the best thing to do is to find a breeder who breeds for sound body/ temperament and consistently produces it. Then look for the one who you like and get a long well with. This should be long term friendly relationship. Once that is determined you need a breeder who works with you to find the best working pup they are producing and are willing to place it with you.

You are absolutely right but I think you still need to add the work ethic, if you will, of the lines to the above criteria. I know of many lines that meet the health, good structure, and temperament criteria but are necessarily good workers.

 

[Ivoryudx]

Of course work ethic should be part of the equation, my problem is I see a lot of kennels looking at it as a bonus IF it happens, not that they are working towards it as one of their goals. I know many breeders keep it in mind, but it is not as high of a priority as winning in the Conformation Ring. Breeders base breedings on Conformation qualities and the old argument comes through that without Conformation the Working can't happen. However there are dogs with all their clearances, who may not be perfect Conformation, but have that drive/working ability that they won't stop til you make them, and they never get used in a breeding program.

I know I'm going to step on a lot of toes here, but I personally am not convinced that having VN's is a good criteria of good working dogs. There is no comparitive list of dogs who have all the VN working titles without the Championship. Please don't get me wrong, I think the VN is a good thing, and it does help to keep the working side of this breed as a priority, but it is not a clear barometer. It might mean the 'right' puppy buyers were chosen, as we all know great dogs who could excel at everything Newfie, and never get out of the dog park. There are also dogs who barely achieved their VN, and others who 'accidently' got their last title to achieve their VN. The 'titles' alone do not show who got what grade point average, or how much work the owner put into getting there. I personally know the work that I put into different dogs to get certain titles and while the end resulting title is the same, I know that dog is not as good at that working event as other dogs. Just as the Championship does not show how many dogs were defeated to achieve that title or how fast it was gained.

Now back to the original topic of looking for a 'serious working Newf'. Just be sure your prepared to handle what your looking for. I know that my Lu, who was a very serious Water Rescue Dog, was A LOT for me to handle. Just because they have that drive and work ethic doesn't mean they are easy to work with. Many times they really don't need you, and you need to convince them that even though that is true, they still need to work on your command.

JMPO,

 

[Capri]

of course work ethic should be part of the equation, my problem is i see a lot of kennels looking at it as a bonus if it happens, not that they are working towards it as one of their goals. I know many breeders keep it in mind, but it is not as high of a priority as winning in the conformation ring. Breeders base breedings on conformation qualities and the old argument comes through that without conformation the working can't happen. However there are dogs with all their clearances, who may not be perfect conformation, but have that drive/working ability that they won't stop til you make them, and they never get used in a breeding program.

I know i'm going to step on a lot of toes here, but i personally am not convinced that having vn's is a good criteria of good working dogs. There is no comparitive list of dogs who have all the vn working titles without the championship. Please don't get me wrong, i think the vn is a good thing, and it does help to keep the working side of this breed as a priority, but it is not a clear barometer. It might mean the 'right' puppy buyers were chosen, as we all know great dogs who could excel at everything newfie, and never get out of the dog park. There are also dogs who barely achieved their vn, and others who 'accidently' got their last title to achieve their vn. The 'titles' alone do not show who got what grade point average, or how much work the owner put into getting there. I personally know the work that i put into different dogs to get certain titles and while the end resulting title is the same, i know that dog is not as good at that working event as other dogs. Just as the championship does not show how many dogs were defeated to achieve that title or how fast it was gained.

Now back to the original topic of looking for a 'serious working newf'. Just be sure your prepared to handle what your looking for. I know that my lu, who was a very serious water rescue dog, was a lot for me to handle. Just because they have that drive and work ethic doesn't mean they are easy to work with. Many times they really don't need you, and you need to convince them that even though that is true, they still need to work on your command.

Jmpo,

exactly !!

 

[BluwaterNewfs]

Now back to the original topic of looking for a 'serious working Newf'. Just be sure your prepared to handle what your looking for. I know that my Lu, who was a very serious Water Rescue Dog, was A LOT for me to handle. Just because they have that drive and work ethic doesn't mean they are easy to work with. Many times they really don't need you, and you need to convince them that even though that is true, they still need to work on your command.

JMPO,

Absolutely!

 

[janices]

Of course work ethic should be part of the equation, my problem is I see a lot of kennels looking at it as a bonus IF it happens, not that they are working towards it as one of their goals. I know many breeders keep it in mind, but it is not as high of a priority as winning in the Conformation Ring. Breeders base breedings on Conformation qualities and the old argument comes through that without Conformation the Working can't happen. However there are dogs with all their clearances, who may not be perfect Conformation, but have that drive/working ability that they won't stop til you make them, and they never get used in a breeding program.

I know I'm going to step on a lot of toes here, but I personally am not convinced that having VN's is a good criteria of good working dogs. There is no comparitive list of dogs who have all the VN working titles without the Championship. Please don't get me wrong, I think the VN is a good thing, and it does help to keep the working side of this breed as a priority, but it is not a clear barometer. It might mean the 'right' puppy buyers were chosen, as we all know great dogs who could excel at everything Newfie, and never get out of the dog park. There are also dogs who barely achieved their VN, and others who 'accidently' got their last title to achieve their VN. The 'titles' alone do not show who got what grade point average, or how much work the owner put into getting there. I personally know the work that I put into different dogs to get certain titles and while the end resulting title is the same, I know that dog is not as good at that working event as other dogs. Just as the Championship does not show how many dogs were defeated to achieve that title or how fast it was gained.

Now back to the original topic of looking for a 'serious working Newf'. Just be sure your prepared to handle what your looking for. I know that my Lu, who was a very serious Water Rescue Dog, was A LOT for me to handle. Just because they have that drive and work ethic doesn't mean they are easy to work with. Many times they really don't need you, and you need to convince them that even though that is true, they still need to work on your command.

JMPO,

Yep, exactly! No argument here.

Yes, be prepared for what you want. My working girl here has to have a job and she has to be convinced to work with me. She's a handful and creative with a mind of her own. She's got a lot of drive. Most of her puppies have the same drive spread across. On the other hand, nobody can tell me she doesn't have instinct. Hardly anybody could crate her when I got hurt out in the water back in July on a water exercise. She kept trying to break lose to come back out to me.

 

[CMDRTED]

I agree with Susan, fortunately I do know two Breeders in my area whom specifically target their kennel to produce excellemt working dogs. That is their stated hallmark of their pbrreding programs. There dogs also do well in the conformation ring, but that is not what drives them in the long run (I believe that anyway). And the results speak for themselves. One of the breeders dogs went WD, WRD, DD, WRDX in less than two years all in first attempts, and her baby is working on their WRD now. Sound like a working dog line to me.