Brown Landseer - Rare?

[xavier]

Donna (Ardeagold) has summoned me out of retirement for this one. I used to have the most complete Newf color gallery on the internet until the photo site I had them on disappeared forever without warning.

It is partially resurrected here: http://www.winkflash.com/PHOTO/folder.aspx?i=4414172 -provided that link works. The laboriously compiled captions have been scrambled and many of the photos are missing. I believe I have all the pictures on my hard drive somewhere but the lovingly worded descriptions are gone forever. I've just been too disheartened by the loss of days of work putting everything together to attempt to reconstruct it. Maybe one of these days...

I had photos of every color combination I've heard of with the exception of cream (dilute brown) and white. I have personally seen every one of the colors I had pictured, with the exception of the brown & tan and the brindles which I consider to be suspect as purebreds.

That said, I am opposed to limiting ANY possible Newf color from being shown unless it can be proven to be linked to a health issue. IMO, it limits the gene pool which is small enough already.

We have fondly called the white & browns "brownseers" and the white & grays "grayseers".

 

[ardeagold]

Xavier.....the link takes us to the main sign in page. Can you make the album public?

Thanks for coming out of retirement to share your photos with us!!! And....we miss you and Gomez you know, so don't be a stranger.

 

[kr200MSU]

I have a bronze and white newf... and yes, they are disqualified from competition. On her AKC registration papers, the color is listed as "white and bronze," not brown landseer, but the markings are the same as a landseers. My dog's mother is solid black, the father landseer. They had not ever had any other bronze and white pups before or since. I loved her immediately, and get tons of compliments on her coloration. Of course, people tend to think that she is a St. Bernard (even more than the usual Newf!). Here are a couple pictures of Miss. Bingo, my bronze and white girl:

 

[kr200MSU]

Perhaps I should add that my "rare" Newf didn't cost any extra money, she actually cost a lot LESS because of the color combo. I wasn't wooed by the "rare" idea... she just had a great personality and was a good looking pup! )

 

[ardeagold]

And Bingo is a BEAUTIFUL girl!!!

That reminds me......I have to recontact Xavier. She kindly sent me some pics of unusually colored Newfs, but the pics didn't go through. I'll try to get them again!

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

Bingo is a beautiful girl and is apparently a very welcome addition to your family!

 

[Lola Bear]

The only brown and white Newfs I have ever come across in the UK were in a rescue centre and had been puppy farm breeding stock ( a bitch and a stud) that had been handed in when no longer profitable :-( They were only young dogs so I can only assume that there was no market for dogs that resembled overgrown english springer spaniels (the parents were not great examples of Newfs, quite apart from the 'incorrect' colour).

I'm sure other brown and whites (greys, creams etc) crop up in litters from time to time but good breeders will do their utmost to ensure that they go to homes where they will absolutely not be bred from. I am always intrigued to learn of non standard colours but am kind of relieved to have never seen any in the flesh as it means that they are not being purposely bred in signifiant numbers.

In the UK, there are only 3 acceptable colours according to the Kennel Club breed standard: black, brown and landseer. Splashes of white on chest/toes of solid blacks/browns is also acceptable.

 

[sarnewfie]

no matter how much a person knows the lines, sometimes somewhere someone can forget, or lie, or just not know what is back there, and , as stated it can crop up suddenly without warning no matter how careful u can be.
there is grey and white along with grey and white
there is cream and there is brown and there is landseer, and there is irish spot, and there is black and there is grey.
i think way back brindle was there but it is way frowned on, and there is the brown pointed markings like rotts and dobies.
i wonder that those markings came from the tibetan.
one can never be to sure.

 

[KatieB]

So why are other colors not accepted? Are there other health risks associated with breeding for those colors such as blindness/deafness in white danes? If they are healthy colors to be in the breed why are they not recognized? Just curious??? If it is dangerous to breed them because other things crop up then that would make sense to me.

 

[nowhavethreebears]

Bingo is a gorgeous girl and adorable in her fairy outfit! I love the eyes of the brown newfs. The photo kind of gave me a chuckle....Looks like miss Bingo is plugged in getting her batteries recharged. LOL.....
Say, does anyone know anything about Shelley and Mousse, the brownseer boy? She hasn't posted in a long time and I was wondering about them. Hope they are okay.....

 

[kr200MSU]

Hee hee! I hadn't noticed it befoer but she does look like she is plugged in! She is such a good sport about outfits; she will just leave them on all day and never mess with them. She was a really cute fairy; I foudn the costume for $3.00 (meant for a child or adolescent, not a dog) and just couldn't resist. I heard there is a dog parade here every year when peoeple will bring their dressed-up dogs, and I may have to enter my girl!

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

I think all the colors are equally healthy except for some greys. They can have little or no coat or patchy coats and hairless ears. Even if other colors were accepted, they would be hard to show. It is probably good they are not accepted, since more might be breeding for those colors.

 

[sarnewfie]

Than why have the danes and cockers evolved into seperate class colors and ableto show them? why not our newfs? the colors are there like it or not.

 

[BluwaterNewfs]

Not all greys have a problem with their fur on the their ears or anywhere else on their bodies. It is also seen in browns & blacks. Some think it is more prevelant on greys & browns but because there are a lot less greys & browns, it is noticed more in them. Grey became more acceptable when Josh was winning because his maternal grandmother was a grey.

 

[Djabilly]

I saw a brown landseer last year at Woofstock here in Toronto and I have to say it was one of the most beautiful dogs I've ever seen. (I must say, however, that I don't think his owner was a 'real' Newf person. After all, who amongst us doesn't want everyone to know about our Newf in particular and Newfs in general?) I agree with Xavier, not just because it opens up the gene pool but, really, who amongst us gets a Newf because of its colour? Every Newf owner I've ever met gets one because it possesses the qualities Byron wrote of, and the description of the Crufts' people....Noble. Powerful. Majestic.

 

[Piratebears]

Hi all,
A little late on this thread I know.
But I have 2 Grey Newf's.My breeder certainly did not breed deliberatly for this colour,both parents need to have the dilute gene to produce a grey and its highly unlkely - but has happened on a few occasions.
My Grey's were not sold as rare either,I had them as I work my dogs rather than show,to me,a Newf should be promoted to do what it was bred for - swim ! and to swim,it can be any colour ! pink for all I care!
I hate to think that there are breeder's out their culling pups just because they do not conform to the accepted "beauty queen" ideals we humans label them with ( not sure if it happens in US ...But has done over here).
Any way,off my soap box now !
Please log on to my web site where I have hundreds of pic's of both greys.
http://www.piratebears.co.uk

 

[Ginny]

I don't think breeders here in the US are culling. The pedigree needs to be known so that one can avoid producing these non-standard colors. I object to the BYBers who deliberately breed for this "rare" combination in order to financially benefit from it - just like the breeders of the white boxers and numerous other non standard combos.

 

[Windancer]

Joan..I have to tell you, any Blue coated dog Can have hair follicle problems.. And it does come from the color. I have seen it in Dobes and other breeds where Blue is a recessive. (Grey) I have not seen that many Browns, but I don't think this particular problem runs in blacks at all...It is either there or it isn't from birth. Some have beautiful coats.

 

[BluwaterNewfs]

I have seen hair follicle problems on several blacks - it may be seen more frequently in greys or browns, both of which are dilute colors.

 

[JPerrelli]

I adopted a brown and white newf with green eyes from a shelter in Illinois. (Sorry I didn't know better at the time). She was so sweet, and got along great with my other dog.
Unfortunatly she had an enlarged heart and I had to send her to the bridge when she was only 4 months old.
She had a brother at the shelter who got adopted from I believe someone in Wisconsin. I called the shelter and asked them to contact the people and have their puppy checked. I always wondered what happened to the other puppy. I hope he was ok.