What is a "pouch cove" newf?
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sarnewfie
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Hi Kitty
back in 1988 1999
when i was showing my sampson, PC was starting to make its move in the showring world.
it is considered by some the dynasty, setting new trends new looks that a lot of people prefer, some refer to them as mushy faces, others rave about them, it all comes down to personal preference.
you can see photos of pouch cove dogs all over the country, on various websites, winning at dog shows all over.
i prefer the old type newf, not the shorter snout, but the topmast type.
everyone has their preference and by no means should anyone bad mouth any one kennel.
just that some see the newf thru different eyes.
you can see the PC type dog that won at eukanuba under the post below and noahs cove graciously provided a link to his photo.
back in 1988 1999
when i was showing my sampson, PC was starting to make its move in the showring world.
it is considered by some the dynasty, setting new trends new looks that a lot of people prefer, some refer to them as mushy faces, others rave about them, it all comes down to personal preference.
you can see photos of pouch cove dogs all over the country, on various websites, winning at dog shows all over.
i prefer the old type newf, not the shorter snout, but the topmast type.
everyone has their preference and by no means should anyone bad mouth any one kennel.
just that some see the newf thru different eyes.
you can see the PC type dog that won at eukanuba under the post below and noahs cove graciously provided a link to his photo.
Sound Bay Newfs
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Pouch Cove is a kennel name. My Rory has some Pouch Cove in her as do some other newfs on this board. If you go to the "Eukanuba Dog Show" thread under the "Showplace" catagory, you can see some pics.
Zatara and Merrick's Mom
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Hi Sarnewfie,
I'm hoping you can explain the difference between the old-style newf head vs the in-vogue style you mentioned. What is a "top mast"? Thank you.
I'm hoping you can explain the difference between the old-style newf head vs the in-vogue style you mentioned. What is a "top mast"? Thank you.
mudji
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I must jump in here, as well. I, too, agree with sarnewfie, I tend toward the more old-fashioned head. I have very good friends that have PC dogs, and they think the world of them. While they are nice looking, I lean toward the Topmast heads.
I think part of my personal prefreence comes from growing up with a Little Bear Kennel dog, Murphy, that was delivered to my dad my Mr. Chern while he was at a show in Boston in the late 50s. Every year we got a newf picture with their christmas cards. When I think of a newf, I think of the Little Bear look, or more currently, the Topmast look.
In our house now, we have Angus who looks similar to Murphy. Then there's Mowgli who REALLY looks like a Landseer head from the 1860s, very shallow, similar to the Landseer painting "Saved". Mudji is still a puppy so we are not too sure how the final head will look. At present, he looks like the head I want, similar to Murphy's.
At shows I have seen dogs that are from other kennels that have heads that are not in the PC type. As not being one that shows, I am mostly interested in a newf with a newf personality. While looks are important, I think the bonding of owner to pet is the most important thing. Besides, all my newfs make me laugh....
just my opinion.....
hannah
I think part of my personal prefreence comes from growing up with a Little Bear Kennel dog, Murphy, that was delivered to my dad my Mr. Chern while he was at a show in Boston in the late 50s. Every year we got a newf picture with their christmas cards. When I think of a newf, I think of the Little Bear look, or more currently, the Topmast look.
In our house now, we have Angus who looks similar to Murphy. Then there's Mowgli who REALLY looks like a Landseer head from the 1860s, very shallow, similar to the Landseer painting "Saved". Mudji is still a puppy so we are not too sure how the final head will look. At present, he looks like the head I want, similar to Murphy's.
At shows I have seen dogs that are from other kennels that have heads that are not in the PC type. As not being one that shows, I am mostly interested in a newf with a newf personality. While looks are important, I think the bonding of owner to pet is the most important thing. Besides, all my newfs make me laugh....
just my opinion.....
hannah
krispykeith
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Does anyone know of a good place or book that has decent examples of both....or names I could search on in the pics forum to see a few of each? Just curious....both look fantastic.
Zatara and Merrick's Mom
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Thank you for your suggestion, Sarnewfie. I've done a lot of surfing tonight to look at the artwork of Sir Edwin Landseer and the newfs of Topmast -- unfortunately I didn't turn up too much on head shapes because my computer crash twice and I got too frustrated to surf much more. Oh well, I think I understand the gist of it now -- I'm thinking of the PC-style heads as more Saint-ish than the older style head shape. I know that is a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Zatara and Merrick's Mom
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A picture really is worth a thousand words! Thank you!
bridge2itnf@aol.com
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i also personally like the shorter , square muzle , as that is what tuggs has .
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sarnewfie
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ok now mind you i am not critisizing anyone here!
i dont care for the short muzzle becouse the majority of newfs that have it also have huge heads with heavy cheeks that weigh down the eyes, thus saggy eyelids when they should be tight, i am going to do some digging for photos that i have and post them here.
i also have noticed how HUGE the ears are becoming in the making of the huge heads and shorter muzzles.
i guess it is all in the eye of the beholder.
i dont care for the short muzzle becouse the majority of newfs that have it also have huge heads with heavy cheeks that weigh down the eyes, thus saggy eyelids when they should be tight, i am going to do some digging for photos that i have and post them here.
i also have noticed how HUGE the ears are becoming in the making of the huge heads and shorter muzzles.
i guess it is all in the eye of the beholder.
macgirl13ca
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Bubba too has the shorter blocky nose. I too prefer that look. So far no sagging of the eyes that I've noticed, they seem tight. Is this something that will definitely happen because of the shorter nose and heavier cheeks? He does have big ears though. I'd say he looks a lot more like Samantha than Sarah, but they're both beautiful!
sarnewfie
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The second photo is emmett growing, there is slight sag in the eye becouse his head is growing.
a good example is the wallpaper on this page this is the typical kaylar head
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/4505/map.html
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krispykeith
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Hey, thanks for the pics! I find the differences really interesting within the same breed. I think both are beautiful dogs.....especially if they are not to the extreme one way or another. I have seens some PCs that had eyes so droopy and red showing all I could think was how much they could use some Visine. I like the tighter eyes and reduced drool of my TM flavored Dazy, but if I was hand picking I would welcome a little more PC in her. PC really screams "newfy" to me. Feel free to keep the pics or references flowing!
sarnewfie
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Ok keith,
here is Sydney with a pup. sydney is out of am UCI INT ch Ralees WinddancerBISS ROM he is son of King Arthur Multi BISS
you can see that sydney is under a year, but also what head type he will have, in a bit i will post a photo of his daddy, hang on i have to go find it and load it to another site being that geocities does not allow hotlinking.
Ok here is Dancer, this is Sydneys daddy.
see the head type? this is typical of topmast type
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Jeannie
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Now of my three newfs, Sara, with the older style head,has the longest ears and Sam (Pouch Cove/Kaylar/Topmast breeding)has the shortest ears. Panda (Topmast Breeding)has longer ears than Sam but shorter than Sara's. You can see for yourself in the photos I have posted above.
My aviator is also a photo of Sam
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sarnewfie
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Jeanie
""i dont care for the short muzzle becouse the majority of newfs that have it also have huge heads with heavy cheeks that weigh down the eyes, thus saggy eyelids when they should be tight"""",
notice key word is majority.
also what else is in her pedigree, that is interesting, none of the topmast types i have or have seen have ears like your girl not a critism just curious what else is in her pedigree!
i noticed that in her photo! aND sydney right now has long ears in that photo but today? he is growing into the ears.he is young and head is undeveloped
Jeanie
did you say calypso bear was in the pedigree of the first photo above?
that may explain the long ears, this is the foundation of kaylar, a beautiful gal, and here is her page and king arthurs page, back in the 80s i think is when calypso was around back than the newfs looked way different, so this could be why your girl looks that way.
http://www.kaylar.com/bear.html
http://www.kaylar.com/king.html
i have to look back at dancer and see if calypso is in there! thanx for posting that photo.
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""i dont care for the short muzzle becouse the majority of newfs that have it also have huge heads with heavy cheeks that weigh down the eyes, thus saggy eyelids when they should be tight"""",
notice key word is majority.
also what else is in her pedigree, that is interesting, none of the topmast types i have or have seen have ears like your girl
not a critism just curious what else is in her pedigree!
i noticed that in her photo! aND sydney right now has long ears in that photo but today? he is growing into the ears.he is young and head is undeveloped
Jeanie
did you say calypso bear was in the pedigree of the first photo above?
that may explain the long ears, this is the foundation of kaylar, a beautiful gal, and here is her page and king arthurs page, back in the 80s i think is when calypso was around back than the newfs looked way different, so this could be why your girl looks that way.
http://www.kaylar.com/bear.html
http://www.kaylar.com/king.html
i have to look back at dancer and see if calypso is in there! thanx for posting that photo.
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Newfs Forever
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SAR and Jeannie,
Love those pictures! To the uneducated like myself re: types, they are all beautiful!
Actually, is it correct to say that Pouch Cove is the largest breeder of newfs in the States or maybe the world? And where does Sweet Bay come in here? Are the Adlers actively breeding still?
I am trying to think of any other large breeding kennels.
TIA,
Sue
Love those pictures! To the uneducated like myself re: types, they are all beautiful!
Actually, is it correct to say that Pouch Cove is the largest breeder of newfs in the States or maybe the world? And where does Sweet Bay come in here? Are the Adlers actively breeding still?
I am trying to think of any other large breeding kennels.
TIA,
Sue