Murphy Prognosis - Long

TinaM

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I am really torn and starting to get really frustrated by all the different medical opinions I am getting. The original surgeon still thinks murphy's luxated patella (which has already been surgically fixed) will get better once he builds up muscle mass. The second opinion I got thought the right leg was 100% and the left needed another luxated patella surgery after rehab. So we go to a third doctor for the rehab. The rehab is to build up the muscles before we decide what else we need to do. She is actually a vet and part of a 31 vet practice that deals with surgical referrals only. They do not see regular patients, they are just there to provide rehab and surgical specialties such as heart, ortho, eyes, etc. She is the rehab specialist. After 6 weeks of rehab Murphy has started to get worse and by worse I mean cannot even get up to go to the bathroom. He goes where he sits and stays in it. After rehab he is so tired that he cannot even walk to the front door. He has to sit on the driveway for 2 hours while I wait for my husband to come home and carry him in the house.

The Rehab facility suggested x-rays and consult with their ortho surgeon. We agreed. There prognosis was very grim. The surgeon didn't want to touch him because he didn't believe anything would work and could not guarantee the results. He said the right leg is starting to luxate from the rehab which he is over compensating for. The left leg he saw the crack in the implant but said the worse news was the implant was in the complete wrong place "which you would not expect to find it in". He also stated there was an inch of missing bone between the tibia and where it should be connected. He thought the entire implant needed to be removed a large wedge of bone graft would need to be put in place and "major hardware" implanted to support the leg. He said the chance of this working was less than 25%. He suggested I take the x-rays back to the original surgeon and see what she wanted to do since he was not interested in performing the surgery. They stopped all rehab while I "make a decision". They said he did not seem to show signs of pain, but was probably experiencing discomfort. They said it was more a quality of life issue and that his quality in going for a walk one or twice a day in a wheel chair did not seem sufficient to them. It was really as if they were trying to give me permission or to lessen my guilt to put him to sleep. Needless to say I cried and cried. My husband seems to think we should have the original surgeon that messed up fix things or alternatively just let him live his days in a wheel chair. We are talking about a two year old dog. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.
 

Abbey

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:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: Tina, I am so sorry. I'm at a total loss for words here. I can only imagine the heartbreak for you and poor Murphy. To have tryed so hard to do what's best, and now this. Prayers for Murphy, You and your family. It sounds like the first Surgeon needs to answer for this! :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:
 

R Taft

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:hugs: from here, I am so sorry. Poor Murphy :hugs: Prayers for Murphy. I hope someone more local to you can give you some more support and help. Someone might know of someone more experienced for this case.......Take care
 

Pregreen

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Hi Tina,
Poor Murphy, I feel so bad that you've all been thru so much. I wouldn't go back to the first surgeon, I wouldn't trust them to fix anything since they messed up in the first place. I would get Murphy fitted for a wheel chair, see how it goes and then make a quality of life decision. I have met alot of happy, well adjusted wheel chair pups that enjoy their life and their new found mobility. I wish you and Murphy the best, hang in there.
 

Murphy

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Hi Tina.. I can sort of imagine how helpless and frustrated you must feel. Were it me I would want some type of examination and more importantly an explanation from the original surgeon, as to what went wrong and how they are going to take some responsibility for it. It must be heart wrenching to see your Murphy so debilitated. I pray there can be a positive resolution and that someone somewhere will figure out the best way to give him a good quality of life.
 

noblenewf

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Hi Tina. I don't know what to say. I'm crying just reading your post. I can't imagine how upset you must be...heartwrenching to see Murphy this way. I would not go back to the original surgeon. Is there any malpractice legal recourse you could take? I would go to another ortho surgeon if at all possible. Hugs to Murphy and you too. I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel right now. I wish I had something more to offer in terms of advice. All I know is that I would do whatever it takes in terms of quality of life. There are a lot of dogs that live long, happy, fulfilling lives with wheelchairs...but only you know if Murphy would be happy that way. I feel so bad for the poor guy. Please give him extra hugs from me.
 

2newfs4now

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I'm so sorry:grouphug: I agree with fitting Murphy with a wheel chair...at least if it doesn't work out, you gave him every chance for a good quality of life. As for the surgeon that did the work... don't go back, file a complaint, and demand part/all of your money back from the botched surgery.
 

newfam

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Wow, this is a tear jerker for sure! Tina I am so sorry to hear this news about Murphy. I can only imagine the pain that you are feeling right now. I really can't offer much help as far as a recommendation, but I just want you to know that we will keep you and Murphy in our prayers. I guess the only suggestion I can muster is to start from scratch with a new vet consult. Maybe someone who has no knowledge of the situation and see what they may suggest. I would also suggest not to go back to the original surgeon, but instead see if there is any legal recorse that you may be able to persue. Try your best to focus on the joy that Murphy brings, even if he must live with a wheelchair, that joy will still be there. :grouphug:
 

TinaM

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Thank you everyone for your good thoughts and prayers. The problem is not the money or even any recourse against the first surgeon. The problem is that now the new surgeon is saying nothing can be done and he doesn't want to try to surgically help Murphy. I found a rehab place in Los Angeles around (1 1/2 from us) that is willing to board Murphy for us while he goes through 6 weeks of rehab. Without examining him she has offered all kinds of hope. I am very leery of such a positive outlook without seeing him. She said dogs can live with luxated patellas and even torn cruciate ligaments and all they need is rehab, acupuncture and massage. She said to stop all surgeries immediately and bring him up and she will help him get use to the wheelchair while she works on the rest of what is wrong with him. She said she has two other newfies in similar situations and they are all walking fine and healed. My husband is taking him up on Thursday so I'm hoping that will work. In the meantime I have sent the x-rays to the old surgeon and I just want her to admit that she lied all along and the first TTA has failed. With the new findings I'm not sure how she can continue to look us in the eye and say "I'm very happy with the results and how he is walking". That is all I have heard from her for 10 months when my gut has told me all along that she is wrong! I'm really hoping that Murphy really takes to his cart and can even recover a little with using it. Thanks for all the prayers and advice -- it is hard not to feel hopeless as this point. It is even sadder to see him struggle to just walk two feet to use his incontinence pads!
 

toblerone

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Prayers for your family and Murphy that a path to recovery can be found Thursday. Maybe since the mis-diagnosis the type of rehab was not proper.
 

2Paws

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I'm so sorry Murphy and you are going through this ordeal. What a horrible heartbreak this has been for you. This new place sounds very encouraging. I think it would be worth a visit.

My Benson and I have gone through quite the trial this past year with his cruciate surgery. We have heard so many different theories and suggested surgeries and treatments to "fix" him. I even had the surgeons at MSU tell me they wouldn't do surgery on him because they believed he had more serious spinal issues. They believed he needed neck and back surgery.

I know where you are at. News like this is devastating. Try to remain positive for Murphy's sake. And believe me when I say there is alot to be said about correct exercise, chiropractic treatment, massage, acupuncture treatments and diet.

With the help of a very good holistic vet, we've been using this conservative approach with Benson. He is improving. This approach requires alot of patience. It's not a quick fix but it's another option that may be available for you guys to consider.

If you would like to chat more about this, please PM me. I'm here if you need me.
 

lilly06

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Hi Tina-
I had been wondering how Murphy was doing. I am sorry to hear your news. Lilly has also been through the ringer just as Murphy has. We started the underwater treadmill a while back because of her luxating patellas. Both of the OS's both said that building the muscle is key to keeping the patellas in place. We have had 3 surgeries for the LP's fail due to just the overall weight and lack of muscle. Lilly's legs were severely atrophied. I found that my PT was pretty right on with issues with Lilly. She was more in tune with her then the OS was. Like your OS, my previous OS said that she was not interested in doing anything further for Lilly. There were still ongoing issues that rose and she refused to deal with it. Lilly kept having infections and her knees would start weeping or she was licking the perfectly healed incision clean. There were signs of infection in the knees and she refused to do anything about it. Most recently Lilly spent 8 days in isolation at UC Davis due to massive infections in her knees. They also ended up removing the hardware from her knees and flushing the joints. I was so glad to get her to UCD.

Anyway, do you have a teaching school near you? At this point in the game I would try and get Murphy into a teaching school. I previously tried to get Lilly into UCD and the waiting period to get her in for a consultation was a very long time. My vet gave me the down low in getting her in quickly and it worked. They are used to dealing with complicated issues as our dogs have had. Thus far, we are thrilled with the results.

Please feel free to PM me if you would like.

Rexanne & Newfs Lilly & Noche
 

lilly06

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Tina-

What sort of rehab were they doing? Lilly would only be in the underwater treadmill 15 minutes max.

Rexanne & newf Lilly
 

victoria1140

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:grouphug::grouphug: hugs for you as I know you are so upset and stressed.

I hope you get the help you need and that Murphy adjusts to his wheelchair until you know what can be done to help him
 

jane

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Tina, I am so sad for Murphy and you. I would definately stay away from the original surgeon and file a form of complaint. If must be, take them to small claims court to get your money back.

In regards to Murphy, I would try and find another top surgeon to review his case, and possibly repair what the other surgeon did wrong.

My heart goes out for both of you. Sending good thoughts and prayers....
 

TinaM

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Tina-

What sort of rehab were they doing? Lilly would only be in the underwater treadmill 15 minutes max.

Rexanne & newf Lilly
Murphy was getting two hours of rehab three times a week. We would drop him off in the morning and pick him up in the afternoon. That way he would be able to take breaks between exercises. They had him standing up to stretch the muscles, they had him on an exercise ball doing leg extensions and about 45 minutes of water treadmill therapy. They said he only used about 15% of his weight for the water rehab.
 

TinaM

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Tina, I am so sad for Murphy and you. I would definately stay away from the original surgeon and file a form of complaint. If must be, take them to small claims court to get your money back.

In regards to Murphy, I would try and find another top surgeon to review his case, and possibly repair what the other surgeon did wrong.

My heart goes out for both of you. Sending good thoughts and prayers....
Well it is way beyond the small claims court amount allowed in California. Honestly, the money isn't the issue as it will not take care of the problem. The problem is that we did go to a reputable surgeon to get a third opinion and he said he would absolutely not touch him surgically. He thought it was now a quality of life issue and a permanent decision needed to be made. We have all our eggs in one basket right now. We are taking him and his wheelchair up to the new rehab facility in Los Angeles and hope through water therapy, massage and accupuncture we can get his back straightened out and get him at least moving to go potty on his own again. He is not living a dog's life right now. If he were smaller he would be easier to manage. It is difficult to get a 125 pound dog into a wheelchair and so far he has refused to go potty in it. It is not something he can sit in all day because he cannot sit down in it. My children are the other problem. We were actually talking last night about getting a rabbit and a guinia pig to help take the focus off the dog. My daughter asks me everyday to move to a farm so she can have a rat, a pig, a goat and horse. She has never met an animal with fur that she didn't absolutely love. She is obsessed with all animals and I have no doubt she will someday live on a farm and have every animal she dreams about. She still cries over the fish that died almost one year ago. She sits with Murphy for hours putting all her toys all over him and dressing him up in feather boas and dragons and she pines for him while he is at therapy. I really cannot imagine her losing her family pet that she is so extremely attached to.
 

Pam G

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Such a sad situation. I hope you start to see some postive results from the new therapy. ((((((HUGS))))))
 
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