More Murphy Stuff

TinaM

New member
First of all I want to say thank you to everyone for the PM's and the nice messages and good thoughts. They really do help me think clearer. So we finally got a hold of someone at UC Davis' affiliate at UCSD and the earliest they can see us for a consultation would be July. We don't have until July so I took some of the advice from the PM's and called Murphy's original breeder. She does not believe in surgical intervention for ACL's and always takes a homeo-pathic approach. She has had several people return the dogs for torn ACL, but has not had a lot of these in her lines. She is a very experienced breeder and has only had about 5 cases of ortho problems. She kept Murphy's full sister and she scored great on hips, heart, etc. She hasn't had any ortho problems at all with Murphy's sister. There were only two in his litter so that is all she can go on. She did state that if she were us she would stop all surgeries immediately. She is sending me a bottle of something that she gives to her horses. I have to inject Murphy with it subcutanously with 3 CC's a week for the first month and afterwards once a month. She said one dog that was returned to her couldn't even walk. After a few weeks of this injection she walked around the entire property and lived for another three years. She said it wasn't pretty to watch her walk, but she had a happy life.

Trust me it isn't pretty to watch Murphy try to walk either, but he has been doing it more lately. So Murphy is scheduled for surgery next Thursday and he will be gone for a month of rehab. Do I try the breeders approach or do I go the surgical route? My husband is leaning towards surgery and after talking to the breeder I'm leaning towards trying her methods. She said she has recommended it to other breeders as well and they all swear it works wonders. She was completely sympathetic and understanding but said objectively it is time for me to stop putting this dog under the knife. I think if someone doesn't stop me I will continue to go for one more surgery hoping this will be the magic one that gives me back my dog. I KNOW I'm being selfish about this. I really don't want any other dog but him. Does that make sense? Any thoughts?
 

wrknnwf

Active member
Can you tell us the name of this stuff? It's very hard to give any kind of opinion without knowing.

Best wishes and prayers for your boy!
 

TinaM

New member
Can you tell us the name of this stuff? It's very hard to give any kind of opinion without knowing.

Best wishes and prayers for your boy!
I'll know when it arrives. I can't remember what she told me. I was trying not to cry the entire time.
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
Please let us know what it is that your breeder recommended. If it was me, I would try the approach the breeder recommended first before doing more surgery. That seems like it would be a less invasive approach and easier on Murphy too.
 

nowhavethreebears

New member
Tina,
I don't know if you followed my Sophie's saga last year.....She trashed both cruciates within an eight month period. The first one wasn't healed when she tore the second one.
She literally didn't have a leg to stand on...she was carried into the vet's office by three techs.
She never did walk normally, from the time she was a puppy. She always "bunny hopped" behind and couldn't move nearly as fast behind as in the front.
We decided to take a conservative approach. Crate rest. Herbs. Hyaluronic acid supplementation.
It will be one year on April 27. She moved better than she ever has. No more bunny hops. The rear healed stronger and more stable than I could have ever dreamed. She feels so much better. She moves almost like a normal dog.
I know that arthritis will probably get her down the line. But that can happen with surgical intervention too.
I agonized over whether I was doing the right thing for her. I am so happy now that I did not put her through surgery. It was a long road but I am convinced that I made the right choice for her.
Just something to think about......
Hugs to you and Murphy. You have the support of all of us here, whatever you decide to do....
 

newfam

New member
I would hold off on the surgery, try the breeder's recommendation and if that doesn't work, re-evaluate. On step at a time. Sending lots of healing prayers and hope for Murphy and you! :icon_knuddel:
 

4ondafloor

New member
Tina, I don't have any words of wisdom to offer. Just a big hug for you and Murphy.
Whatever approach you decide on, we are here for you.
 

ozzysma

New member
sorry i have no advice for this very hard decision! just sending healing thoughts and many prayers to your murphy!!
 

Ginny

New member
Food for thought:

If the breeder has had several returned for torn ACLs, it's in her line. NCA is funding a cruciate study right now to try to determine a genetic marker for this. While I can't tell you what rehab road to take, I can ask you to submit Murphy's DNA for the study. Your breeder should be doing the same. If we all come together on this, our dogs will benefit. In the end, this is all about the future of all Newfs.

Good luck with Murphy.
 

2Paws

New member
I bet it was adequan. This is used for horses with great success. I have used this with Benson for the last year and it has really helped him. I know of a few others who have used this with good results with their dogs (one of them is a vet). To save on the cost of the medicine, I learned how to give the injections myself.

You start out with the load up doses and then it's a regular monthly maintenance program.

I hope you seriously consider the suggestions given by your breeder. I'll repeat some good advice that was given to me by a good friend......after doing all your research and exploring all the options, make your decision, trust in that decision and don't ever look back.

Sending you guys lots of positive thoughts for Murphy and you.
 

Ginny

New member
I'm thinking Adequan too, Sue. If it's a 5cc bottle, it won't last you very long and you may not see a difference until he's gotten several doses. I've bought it online with a vet's prescription, injected myself like Sue has, and end up saving a TON of $$. This stuff really works - better on dogs than horses in my experience.




I bet it was adequan. This is used for horses with great success. I have used this with Benson for the last year and it has really helped him. I know of a few others who have used this with good results with their dogs (one of them is a vet). To save on the cost of the medicine, I learned how to give the injections myself.

You start out with the load up doses and then it's a regular monthly maintenance program.

I hope you seriously consider the suggestions given by your breeder. I'll repeat some good advice that was given to me by a good friend......after doing all your research and exploring all the options, make your decision, trust in that decision and don't ever look back.

Sending you guys lots of positive thoughts for Murphy and you.
 

Ivoryudx

New member
Can I ask how old the dogs were when they were spayed/neutered, that have blown ACL's? That MIGHT be something to think about.

Yep I agree, its probably Adequin injections and I would also hold off on the surgeries and give this a try first. But I would keep up with the stem cells as you know for a fact that your boy has a gap where bone should be from the x-rays. Surgeries can be tried later if there is no response from the Adequin injections. If you give them til the July appointment with UC Davis extension then you have a lot of info. to provide them to get proper help for your guy.
 

TinaM

New member
I don't think it is adequan. She actually suggested early on we get adequan injections -- which we did. I can't remember what she told me it was called, but I think it started with a G. I am going to have to call the vet to make sure it doesn't interfere with the rimadyl and other things he is on. Doesn't Adequan go in the joint? She said I could inject this under the skin. I'll let you all know when it arrives. I'm hoping it works wonders for him. It is so sad to see him hobble and scoot around. I had dreams all last night about him and I just couldn't sleep. I finally just got up at 4:30 and sat with him. At least he could sleep!
 

Sailorgirl

New member
Just a quick thought on the Aquedan: Our holistic vet said he always advises that it be given subcutaneously and has had lots of luck giving it that way. His opinion is that it's just too painful to do intramuscular. That's a pretty minor point in the grand scheme of things though.

I'm so sorry this is happening. Good luck!
 
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