Labradoodle

[Nasus]

I knew it would only be a matter of time before this nasty trend hit Norway but never did i think it would be the Crown Prince and Princess that has brought this nasty business into the limelight... Crown Prince Hakon and Crown Princess Mette Marit will take delivery of a labradoodle in a few weeks.. From a "reputable" breeder... the Norwegian Kennel Club is all over this as well as the Norwegian Poodle Club... I am asking for some help on NN... if any of our members can find the time to write the Royal Palace and voice your discust at this it would be a great help... Here is a link for mail to the palace.. scroll down to send the msg.. pls make sure to address it to the Crown Prince and Princess.
http://www.kongehuset.no/c27327/kontakt.html?strukt_tid=27327
Thanks in advance.

 

[victoria1140]

I dont generally like the mixing of the poodles that has occured but I must admit I met a labradoodle last weekend and he was adorable. It could have been worse they might have got a newf and then every byb would be springing up.

I can understand your concern but was it a personal preference that made them choose one or a possible allergy problem?

 

[R Taft]

The initial reason for breeding labradors cross poodles in Australia was for "Guide dogs for the blind"...........They were hoping to breed a non shedding, low allergy Guide dog with a lot of intelligence. there are quite a few around in Australia, but they seem to have gone back to Labradors and Golden Retrievers for the most now. Because not all labra-doodles were non-shedding and the character was not predictable (as in good pure breds).
Mind you I still believe that people should be able to choose their own dog breed, it is a freedom of choice issue to me. As long as they care for their animals and love them forever. And there is no puppy mill type breeding kennel involved
That said we have several in our kennel club obedience training and they are three lovely dogs belonging to three different owners.
But I do hate cross-breeding done for fashion and $$$'s . Same as I hate pure breeding just for fashion/popularity or appearance only. All breeding should be done for health, conformation, character and according to the AKC standards.

 

[Nasus]

I dont generally like the mixing of the poodles that has occured but I must admit I met a labradoodle last weekend and he was adorable. It could have been worse they might have got a newf and then every byb would be springing up.

I can understand your concern but was it a personal preference that made them choose one or a possible allergy problem?

As far as an allergy problem, we will never know as the Royals do not talk about health issues unless they are being treated for something that sends them to the hospital... Norway has always been behind trends and this Designer Dog is thing is getting big her.. it's not just Labradoodles.. I met a women with a cross between a rot and a boxer.. she called it a "new breed" a Rotbox. She is breeding these dogs. In realilty these are mutts and one can not rule out what you get when crossing a boxer with a rotty. Any dog will have issues but once you start breeding for profit or the new trend it will almost always lead to the dog being in a bad state. Plan and simple this is a fad, and for money... sure a labradoodle is cute.. but a mutt is a mutt.. and pls don't think it won't happen to Newfs because it will.. they will want the temperment without the fuss of drool and hair.. so what would it be mixed with ? God only knows!

 

[Murphy]

I monitor a website here and receive alerts for anything having to do with people selling or giving away Newfs. There have been numerous ads like the one below. One that has been taken off was a Newf border collie mix. Forget what ridiculous name they called them. Makes me want to scream :cussing2:

http://toronto.kijiji.ca./c-ViewAd?AdId=121681433

Then for those of you who remember, my neighbor who was back yard breeding but learned the error of her ways because of my "befriending/educating her".
Well I guess it didn't take cause this just popped up and I just know it is her. :grrr::grrr:

http://toronto.kijiji.ca./c-ViewAd?AdId=137058023

 

[hawk]

Just a question which arises out of ignorance and curiosity:

Most of the breeds that we are familiar with have been established for quite some time. Did the early breeders cross and mix different breeds to strengthen wanted characteristic's and weed out unwanted one's?

Of course there are many who see big $$$$ when breeding fashion dogs whether new cross breeds or established ones but I have to think that some of the breeders of new breeds such as the laberdoodle might be doing it for more than money (this is really a question).

Are we seeing the continued development/evolution of domestic canines? In a 100 years these new breed's may be as common as our Newfs, Berners, Maine Coon Cats...???

 

[R Taft]

Just a question which arises out of ignorance and curiosity:

Most of the breeds that we are familiar with have been established for quite some time. Did the early breeders cross and mix different breeds to strengthen wanted characteristic's and weed out unwanted one's?

Most breeds are from mixes in the past, I think even our beloved newf has a "past".
I know that the flatcoat retriever has border collie, golden retriever and setter in him. And i think that there are many more. Dogs were bred for a purpose. be it stock-work, gun-dog or for any other kind of work.

 

[Tug]

Just a question which arises out of ignorance and curiosity:

Most of the breeds that we are familiar with have been established for quite some time. Did the early breeders cross and mix different breeds to strengthen wanted characteristic's and weed out unwanted one's?

Of course there are many who see big $$$$ when breeding fashion dogs whether new cross breeds or established ones but I have to think that some of the breeders of new breeds such as the laberdoodle might be doing it for more than money (this is really a question).

Are we seeing the continued development/evolution of domestic canines? In a 100 years these new breed's may be as common as our Newfs, Berners, Maine Coon Cats...???

You're absolutely right, but, I think, in the past the breed was established for specific regions & reasons. They were well established before being pawned off on the 'public market'. The Labradoodle is too new, and not refined enough, to guarantee results.

Like Ronny said, about the flat coat retriever; it was a deliberate mix of specific breeds (some say the Newf was one) done over time.

I think the big difference here, is time.

 

[Nasus]

The breeds we know today have been breed for reasons, hunters, retervers, raters, working (such as newfs)... designer dogs are breed for $$$$ not for work or any other reason.. allargy free is one reason but sorry that holds no weight, crossing a lab with a poodle does not always give the results one wants.. some will have a short coat others a curly long coat... how many times have we seen even in Newfs things crop up from the past that was to be breed out of them 100\s of years ago.

Has anyone sent a mail like I asked in my post? Just need some back up here to not let this get carried away in such a small country like Norway.

 

[SunnyD]

and pls don't think it won't happen to Newfs because it will.. they will want the temperment without the fuss of drool and hair.. so what would it be mixed with ? God only knows!

It has.

On Facebook, one site asked for responses after viewing;

NEWFYPOO
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/432/Newfypoo.aspx


BERNEFIE
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/78/Bernefie.aspx

GOLDEN NEWFIE
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/236/Golden_Newfie.aspx

NEW LABRALOUND
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/541/New_Labralound.aspx

NEW ROTTLAND
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/613/New_Rottland.aspx

NEW SHEP
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/542/New_Shep.aspx

 

[Nasus]

It has.

On Facebook, one site asked for responses after viewing;

NEWFYPOO
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/432/Newfypoo.aspx


BERNEFIE
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/78/Bernefie.aspx

GOLDEN NEWFIE
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/236/Golden_Newfie.aspx

NEW LABRALOUND
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/541/New_Labralound.aspx

NEW ROTTLAND
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/613/New_Rottland.aspx

NEW SHEP
http://www.designermixes.org/Breed_Info/542/New_Shep.aspx

I am about to PUKE! Stupid ppl buying mutts with no history to predict.. it's crazy. Wonder if the problems the other dogs have (and all pure breeds have them) will get transfered to the "doodle", "poo" or whatever.

 

[R Taft]

I am about to PUKE! Stupid ppl buying mutts with no history to predict.. it's crazy. Wonder if the problems the other dogs have (and all pure breeds have them) will get transfered to the "doodle", "poo" or whatever.

I think you may find that some people think that hybrid vigor may get rid of some of the problems.
We breed first cross cattle to get what everyone call hybrid vigor. For example Angus bull to Hereford cows. this is not to create a new breed however, but to get more meat on the hoof. And often a stronger beast and we have found less health problems. And this is over many years.........
But if some people realize this is done, they might think the same could be done with dogs. And of course there is the "trendiness" and the $$$$ signs........It is sad for the dog world

 

[Angela]

Now we have MINI Labradoodle puppy ads in our local paper:cussing2:

Lab cross miniture poodle (the mind boggles)
Cost - $1200 - $1300.

 

[Largo]

Hawk, you are correct. Most breeds of dog today came about from genetic combination of various breeds. Starting of course with the culling of specific traits from wolves. This kind of practice to create a stand alone breed took centuries really and diligent hard work and trial and error, testing, observation etc. And done for a purpose. I'm with you Nasus, what is happening today is for the money by the majority involved no doubt. I think it is ridiculous and may lead to the undoing of centuries of hard and purposeful work.

The idea of introducing vigor and health is noble and something that is needed no doubt. Simply crossing two pure bred dogs however is not going to get it done when all pure breeds just about, have health issues. Some really bad health issues. It has to be a more concerted effort than that. Done with knowledge, and it may or may not involve cross breeding. And is not a given that we have to create all new breeds for health and vigor. A good majority of the people touting these so called new breeds, probably know very little if anything at all about genetics and breeding.

 

[CMDRTED]

I met a women with a cross between a rot and a boxer.. she called it a "new breed" a Rotbox. She is breeding these dogs. In realilty these are mutts and one can not rule out what you get when crossing a boxer with a rotty.

Oh wonderful two breeds that are HIGHLY PRONE to Bone Cancer.:cussing2::grrr: Really a smart choice. They want to license breeders, how about licensing people? :whistling:

 

[CMDRTED]

Just for fun Jen I emailed her and asked the following:

Are you a member of CKC?
What are the results of the hip and elbow xrays?
Also the results of:
Thyroid Test
CERF
Cysturinia
Is the Dog and the offspring on the OFA Database so I can Look up testing results.
Also is the dog listed on the German Database so I can research Breed line?

Let's see if she responds Jen.

Sorry I didn't mean to Hi-Jack this.

 

[MsKate]

Designer breeds are just glorified mutts. We have had some wonderful dogs that were mutts and wonderful purebred dogs, so nothing against them. Breeding 2 different breed purebred dogs does not guarantee the best traits from both. Grrrrr.....this kind of thing really ticks me off. I know I'm not saying anything new or what anybody doesn't already know, but......this is stuff we learned in junior high science. It's a very $cash$ driven market.

 

[NewfDad]

For it to be a breed it has to reliably breed true. For example newf x newf - newf, labradoodle x labradoodle doesn't reliably equal a labradoodle.
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