I'd like to have an argument please

[Ginny]

IMHO, answers to that survey from one who currently has pups is inappropriate... the response should be removed.

 

[brookside]

Just as an FYI, all my puppies are spoken for. I plan no other breedings for many years tocome. I bred this litter for me and the others have been spoken for for a bit. Sorry. I am not selfpromoting.

It was an obvious poor attempt at trying to have a dialogue about howmany puppies some people are making. Somepeople are making alot. I was erroneously trying to show that most NCA breeders don't spit out puppies every other month. Most NCA people who breed do so very sparingly. However, there are some (not all) non-NCa people who breed and breed. Look at some of those websites, many many mothers, one dad and nobody iin the pedigree has any clearance or whathave you. It is getting to be a sad thing for rescue (NCA and non-NCA alike) to be rescuing dogs from websites like that. NCA is spending all their rescue money on dogs that people don't stand behind and that just give those breeders more license to spit more out because there are no consequences for them. They don't see what NCA does. The other sad thing, is then the NCA spends gobs of money to rehab them, and for the most part, they are truly sad, sick (albeit deserving love) replicas of what some people have spent alife time trying to fine tune and develop.
That is what I was trying to say Ginny.
Sorry if you saw it any other way.

 

[Sun Valley]

I apologize if I broke the rules by answering Becky's questions.

Lou Ann

 

[ardeagold]

I wonder if some of the time, effort and money used for rescue could be spent on a "committee" (for lack of a better word), that would reach out to the BYB's and make an effort to bring them into the community. A group of mentors could be set up to teach them about structure, working ability and competitive events. Show them what "makes" a good newf. Encourage them to get clearances, and educate them about the reasons. Make them aware, and invite them to club events in their area. In other words....befriend them, for all the right reasons.

I doubt that anything like this would have an impact on a commercial breeder, but it just might on some BYB's.

I think the old saying goes "you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar". Maybe it would be a good idea to start reaching out and offering to help?

 

[Murphy]

Ok I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask what may appear to be a stupid question, so please don't beat up on me. I have read this thread until my poor addled brain is shutting down.

Murphy came from a litter of 11. One black one did not survive.

9 were black (ie Ozzy) and 2 were Landseer. I was told Murphy and his landseer sister were the last 2 born and were identical ??? Like identical twins. Both parents were black. I guess they both carried the recessive gene but how come there were variations in the same litter?? How different does that make Murphy from Ozzy??

I also heard it was a very bad thing to breed a Landseer to a Landseer.

Be kind in your answers please..:uhoh2:

 

[Ginny]

I wonder if some of the time, effort and money used for rescue could be spent on a "committee" (for lack of a better word), that would reach out to the BYB's and make an effort to bring them into the community. A group of mentors could be set up to teach them about structure, working ability and competitive events. Show them what "makes" a good newf. Encourage them to get clearances, and educate them about the reasons. Make them aware, and invite them to club events in their area. In other words....befriend them, for all the right reasons.

I doubt that anything like this would have an impact on a commercial breeder, but it just might on some BYB's.

I think the old saying goes "you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar". Maybe it would be a good idea to start reaching out and offering to help?

Perhaps some. Any I've come across are in it for the $ and really could give a rip about the breed/s. Heck, getting people who want a pup, to avoid them is extremely difficult. I personally think our regional and national club/s need to do a better job of responding to inquiries for pups such that these prospective owners aren't pushed towards the BYBers. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that a prospective first time Newf owner, searching for a healthy pup, never heard back from anyone reputable. At that point, what other choice do they have but to go with an advertiser on the Internet who sells and sells?

I was told Murphy and his landseer sister were the last 2 born and were identical ??? Like identical twins. Both parents were black. I guess they both carried the recessive gene but how come there were variations in the same litter?? How different does that make Murphy from Ozzy??

I also heard it was a very bad thing to breed a Landseer to a Landseer.

I think the only way Murph and his sister could be considered identical is if they were in the same and separate sack. The pups in that litter or any litter are basically the same as fraternal twins genetically.

Landseer to Landseer is usually not done because the undesirable traits of the Landseer are more likely to come through - snipey, less bone - the non "typey" look that most are breeding for.

 

[Murphy]

I was told they were in the same sack but did not know if that was possible. So would Murphy and Ozzy be like fraternal twins and Murphy's sister like an identical twin??

 

[Lisa@Caeles Hills]

I apologize if I broke the rules by answering Becky's questions.

Lou Ann

Ditto. And although I mentioned my puppy that I'm getting, I am not the breeder. I've waited a long time for this pup, and as a matter of fact I absolutely refuse to say where he is coming from! :coffeedrink:

 

[Ivoryudx]

NCA REAC Committee

Rescue Education and Awareness Committee

http://www.ncanewfs.org/committees/pages/REACt/REACt.html

This committee was formed in 2001 by the Newfoundland Club of America Board to address the growing needs of Newfoundlands for the Rescue lifeline. Its purpose is proactive, to apply the creative resources of its members to "address the issue of rescue proactively by finding ways to educate breeders and the buying public and to develop an arsenal of weapons and strategies to combat the ruthlessness of puppy mills and other forms of indiscriminant breeding."

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

I was told they were in the same sack but did not know if that was possible. So would Murphy and Ozzy be like fraternal twins and Murphy's sister like an identical twin??

The breeder must have meant the markings were identical, since a girl and boy could not be identical twins. Most likely they were marked the same and are just considered siblings. Even though both parents were black, it depends on how the genes line up. If the recessive Landseer genes line up from each parent, then the pup will be Landseer.

 

[Windancer]

I don't see anything in that Rescue Committee that sounds like they want to do any real one on one contact and education with BYB's or less experienced people. It still sounds seperatist to me. I think Donnas post is exactly right...more of an extended hand is needed. I really believe people respond to that kind of gesture, and alot can get accomplished. "pay it forward" someone helped you..and you had to start somewhere.. we weren't born knowing all this either..

 

[ardeagold]

Thanks, Susan. I'm still not sure what kind of outreach the committee does, but it's good that there is something in place. The "History" area appears to be blank?