xrays today... hips ...dysplasia...help!

Annie Milliron

Annie Milliron

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Originally posted by Ivoryudx:
I'm sorry, but ANY Vet who told me that I only had TWO choices for Hip Dysplasia would get an ear full from me. That is not true, and every dog and every situation is different. Thats shameful to push like that, and shows a lack of knowledge on your Vets part.
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Here Here!!! I almost fell out of my seat when I read that. Amy, it's outrageous that a vet would make such a statement. If I were you, I would look around for a new vet right away. There are several Newf People in Pittsburgh. You might want to check the Penn-Ohio Newf Club website and contact some of their members. Perhaps they can suggest Vets who have experience with large breed dogs.

Also, there are people here on NN who have had really good luck in helping their newfs with Hip Dysplasia without having surgery. Boundless Newfs has posted a link to a really good thread.

Hang in there, keep us posted.

[ 04-07-2006, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Annie Milliron ]
 
Jeannie

Jeannie

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From Pittsburgh to Troy it is only 265 miles or 4 hours and 20 minutes (3 hours for me--let's not go there)

That is a very short distance for the health of your newf. At times when I have been at Lonnie's office there are people there who have driven further than that. He is that good. Please consider coming here for a good set of xrays.
 
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amy45888

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thank you all for your support and help. I will definately give dr. lonnie a call. My husband is frantic to send him to the surgeon, but i'm holding him off and will call the vet on monday.
 
Ivoryudx

Ivoryudx

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One thing that has not been mentioned, is that Lonnie Davis does not sedate, unless its totally necessary. He is expensive, and what I would do, if I were you, would be call and see if he would take a look at your current x-rays, with a phone consult. I've done that with other Vets by arranging a calling time, and payment ahead, with a set half hour for discussion. I don't know if he does that or not, but it would be worth the call, to find out.

I do know that he will evaluate x-rays from other Vets and tell you his opinion. He does suggest having the dog there, so if the x-ray quality is horrible, he will go ahead and take new x-rays. In my opinion, and my experience, he is VERY good at giving you his honest opinion, and worth the money. He does over 300 OFA x-rays a year, and I don't know how many Penn Hip, but with that kind of experience, he definitely knows what he's doing.
 
aona

aona

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Hi Amy- Instead of PMing you, I will post Kuma's holistic regiment here so if someone else does a search, they can read it too. I hope it helps!

Kuma’s regiment

For the first 4 months (the beginning of muscle development for back legs):
1. Chiropractic adjustments once per week
2. Accupuncture for pain control once per week
3. Physical therapy with physical therapist twice per week
4. Experimental “Prolo” therapy once per month (In a nutshell- sugar shots, wouldn't recommend this one)
5. Adequan injection once per week

Then we bought an above ground pool from Walmart, built a ramp using lumber from Home Depot and set up back yard water therapy (see pictures under the photo section of NN under “back yard water therapy”). It took two hours to build. It’s not the most magnificent structure but it has its purpose for a great price… we no longer are spending $600/month for her therapies. She just swims and takes her supplements. Physical therapy was great to start out with because they will teach you the specific exercises you need to do with your dog in the water and on land. They will also teach you how to massage your dogs muscles everyday to stimulate growth (personally, I think it helped to stretch). After ideal muscle development occurred, the holistic vet inserted gold beads into the places where she was getting accupuncture. These beads replaced the accupunture for good. If you saw her today, you would be amazed at her progress. This is a dog that also was given the choice of THR or euthanasia!!!

Daily Supplements:
5 Springtime Joint Health tablets
1 Glucosamine/Chondroitin pill from Costco (1500/1200mg) for additional Gluc/Chond
4 Corydalis 5 tablets…holistic alternative to Rimadyl
1 Ester-C 500mg pill (titrate to the appropriate levels for each dog)
1 Vitamin E/fish oil pill

For the occasional bad day where she is playing too hard and injures herself, we give her Hartz coated aspirin. For the really bad days, the orthopedic surgeon gave us deramaxx, but she rarely takes these.
 
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termitee

Inactive Member
The positioning is not good but the left hip is to far out of the hip socket. Even if the knees were rotated the hip would not come that far out of socket. Having said that hip dysplasia in itself is not something to be terrified of. One of our girls is moderatly dysplastic. She went on to win a championship in conformation. Her movement was normal. There are no set rules.
Sherrie
Who is an X-ray technologist
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/vaccinesurvivors9.html

[ 10-08-2006, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: dakota ]
 
Windancer

Windancer

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I have to agree with Sherrie, totally..I really don't see much of a socket on the right at all.A conult might confirm this, or the need to re xray. But like she said..don't panic. They don't walk on the xrays..Julie
 
Sound Bay Newfs

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
I am sorry to hear about Baloo's xray results, but there are so many factors involved in this, so don't panic. My lab has a bad hip, but is very active at 10 yrs old now. Do you give supplements like glucosamine/chondroitin and ester C? There are a lot of other supplements too that can help.
I would definately get another opinion though. Just the attitude of your vet would make me want to go elsewhere. It almost sounds like he is trying to scare you into surgery by suggesting euthenasia. It does look like the positioning is off, but it also seems hard to believe that a change in positioning will pull that hip into the proper position. A repeat xray with help determine that. Good luck in your pursuit to help Baloo.
 
Ivoryudx

Ivoryudx

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This thread was brought back up from April. We were not trying to 'diagnose' a problem, mearly pointing out what to look for. Diagnosing a specific problem on an x-ray is for the professional DVM's who have good knowledge of what to look for.

Dakota, you make some good points, that there are a lot of dogs who are radiographically dysplastic, with no symptoms. Thats why its so important to do the testing, and find out what is really going on, even if your dog doesn't have any symptoms. These dogs should not be used in a breeding program, even if they show no symptoms.
 
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usmc2k1

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I have a 7 year old Male Named Simba who was xrayed with Hip Dysplasia at 3 months old...I had a TPO done at a Vets office in Northern Illnois on one side. They said he needed a hip replacement on the other. Alittle research and talking to the Vet people at the U of Illnois ..they said in the giant breeds a hip replacement was risky and only 5% chance it would work. So I declined. Simba is not that active as I would like but he is somewhat active..still swims been a great pet...I did not have the heart to put him down..
 
camel24j

camel24j

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hi i am new here i have a 10month old newfie Simba who has had no pain but his hips poped so i took him to the vet for a x-ray and my vet said he has sever hd on one side and the other is fair i have an apointment with an orthipdic the 8th of jan. i defintly dont want surgry but i really dont trust my vets opinon so i am hoping the consltation with this vet will be better. Simba runs flips and rearanges the living room and has never shown signs of pain. after reading through all of your post i am really hopefull for my baby thank you. Simba is my first perbreed and i new about hd a little before i decided to get him. i have 3 other dogs who are mutts and never had any mager problems with them so i was really worried. but someone directed me here and i cant thank them enough.
 
luvxl k 9

luvxl k 9

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We've put puppies and dogs all over the US on the regimin that Liza suggested for both Hip Displaysia and Elbow Anomaly. Surgery is no longer the end all be all. Some vets and research hospitals will never change. Michigan State, on the basis of Apache's before and after xrays started new research on Genetic deformities and how outside factors (Apache regimin basically) can either prevent or improve dogs and puppies with these conditions. However; when I presented the U of I with the same information (and they had even seen Apache originally) I got "Well you know that's nice, but without surgery we can't train our students or make money. Please make sure that any vet you go to has the mind set of Michigan State and not the U of I. (Who will never see another penny of mine!!)
 
Ginny

Ginny

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It's called unilateral HD and is not so uncommon that your vet shouldn't know about it. I'd consider a change in vets. Be careful in your visit with the orthopedic surgeon...surgeons are trained to do surgery and that is their mindset. If your pup is not symptomatic, I'd consider just getting him on supplements like glucosamine, condroiton, and msm and keep up the exercising. Swimming is great. Avoid hard surface running, but definitely keep him moving. Motion is lotion.
 
camel24j

camel24j

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my bf and i are going to go there just to get his opion we really didnt want surgry to begain with and my first vet said poor prognosses even with surgry so if she is right why would i put him through that. i have been wanting to change vets for a long time now but just havent. mabie it is time.
 
janices

janices

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Yes, it's time for a vet change or vet education. I had one girl with unilateral HD. She never had problem with the HD hip. She was still jumping off boats at 7 yrs old and carting at 9 yrs old. I probably have another who will x-ray with unilateral HD from what seen on prelims - quote from my vet - she'll probably never have a problem. Specialist looked at this too and said well, we can do something if she needs it, but unlikely she'll have a problem. End of story.
 
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