Well I got told...

[Peter Maniate]

Best read from bottom up to get context.


Wow if id known it was so difficult to adopt a dog I wouldn't even have
bothered. I think there are fewer stipulations when buying a Cadillac.
That's really too much. I feel sorry for the dogs. Talk about anal
retentive!! Thanks but no thanks. Have a nice day.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Maniate [mailtoeter@hannibalkennels.on.ca]
Sent: January-25-15 8:47 PM
To: lori
Subject: RE: cost of pup

Hi Lori,

Attached is some info on adopting a Hannibal Newfoundland including the
adoption process and adoption fee.

Sorry but all the pups in the current litter are spoken for. Suggest you
check out this breeder referral list
http://newf-friends.blogspot.ca/p/breeder-referral-program.html . You can
also check out the available dogs from Newf Friends Newfoundland Dog Rescue
http://newf-friends.blogspot.ca/p/available-dogs.html . There are only a
couple of Newfs currently listed but you can check back daily to see info on
any new arrivals.

Newfondly,

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: lori
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:52 PM
To: peter@hannibalkennels.on.ca
Subject: cost of pup

From: lori
Subject: cost of pup

Message Body:
would like to purchase a newfoundland pup for farm and home life,
I am looking for a male .
i live in burlington and farm in consecon, ontario,
please let me know if any of the pups, male are available and how much they
cost, how old they are now,
sincerely Lori

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website at http://hannibalkennels.on.ca

 

[Leonard and his bud Snuffles]

We had a friend in WA State get a brown puppy from eastern US about the time Snuffles moved here. I remember him saying what hoops they went through to get a puppy. He was surprised at the *rules* were.

 

[wrknnwf]

Hopefully she will give up and go buy a farm cat. Although, I "feel sorry" for the cat, if she does.

 

[R Taft]

I just wish everyone who sold puppies had rules and was strict as to where they went, we would not have to deal wit so many Rescues.........I think you should be proud of being difficult

 

[Brandie&Maggie]

Wow. I feel sorry for whatever animal she does end up with.

I will say that adopting from rescue was hard, but I think it should be! There were a few rules we didn't agree with from some places (i.e the MUST have a fenced yard - no exceptions). We don't have one and it's not practical to fence our property. We leash walk every walk. So it took us a little while to find the right place.

But otherwise, I felt like everything was pretty reasonable and in place for a reason.

 

[lmfoltyn]

I found it very hard to get approved through rescue...it takes a LONG time but is so worth the wait...will definitely rescue again someday...hopefully not too soon...this person needs NOT have a newf...I agree...a barn cat would probably suit better...

 

[Henrys Mom]

It's people like this who keep the breeders in business. They want a dog, no questions asked and a greeder will provide that to them. Very sad!

 

[AngusMcDubhsMom]

I think the sentence "fewer stipulations when buying a Cadillac" says it all...seems like a dog is just another purchase, not a living breathing creature. I wouldn't want to give her a barn cat either.

 

[Jeannie]

They don't need a dog

 

[dreamchaser456]

I'm not sure she would qualify to purchase a Cadillac either! I sure hope no one sells her anything alive! Congrats on being so very unreasonable!

 

[CathyC.]

I told my dh about this and he is still spitting nails. He is at work but has texted me repeatedly about them in unflattering terms.

 

[BLCOLE]

It looks like I may be in the minority. I think the what is asked of prospective adopters by some rescues is truly insane.

I'll give a PERSONAL example. Before I got Calza, I looked into going through a NCA region's rescue. When I got to the question about living arrangements, I answered truthfully; I live in a condo that NORMALLY has a 50 pound weight limit on dogs. HOWEVER, I moved into the condo before they made the rule. I am GRANDFATHERED IN with a giant breed dog as a result.

The rescue in question DEMANDED written documentation from the management of the condo development, which offended both myself and my family. I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T TRUST ME TO TRUTHFULLY FILL OUT YOUR RESCUE APPLICATION, HOW THE HECK CAN YOU TRUST ME WITH A DOG?!?

Oh, and I'm now on my FOURTH Newf in this condo.

 

[Puppypeoplenj]

I always tell people who are looking for a "dog like yours, soon" that I waited 2 years for Orca. The sad thing, though, is that I would have happily gotten a rescue (the rest of the family wanted a puppy, but a rescue would probably have made more sense for us) but the requirements for newf rescues were so strict that I never even tried. I thought it was kind of crazy, too, but I guess in this case they'd prefer to place fewer dogs in excellent homes than more dogs in just good homes? Anyway, I'd prefer to rescue in the future, but don't know if it will happen.

 

[R Taft]

We get very attached to our rescues when we foster them and we want the best for them. you also have to realise that most of us have had past experiences with people who promised the world for our precious rescues and let us down...they either lost a dog or gave it back, so the very strict re-homing rules came about.we have the same here for the newfies we try to give a new home. I just wish that some of the breeders would be just as particular to prevent us from having rescue newfies........

 

[wrknnwf]

The lady in Peter's post was not looking for a rescue. She wanted a pup and Peter didn't have any on the ground, so he referred them to rescue which is admirable in my book. Peter has very strict requirements for his puppy buyers, and he is entitled to have them and expect people to abide by them. His heart and soul goes into these dogs and he deeply cares what happens to each and every one of them.

Forgive me for stepping on my soap box for this one...

Rescue organizations don't want to have a reason to exist. They deeply wish they could be put out of "business" once and for all. So, they must have stringent rules for adopting to prevent these unfortunate dogs from going from home to home, over and over.

Please remember that a dog in rescue is there because he or she is a throw away, for whatever reason. They may come from less than desirable homes; in poor health, injured, or neglected in some way, or the dog got "too big" or required too much grooming, etc. Or perhaps the owner simply had a life changing situation that made them give up their dog. And any individual dog may have issues due to temperament, lack of training, or health that require certain living conditions. Whatever the reason, rescue is determined to not let that happen to that particular dog EVER again. The term "forever" home means exactly that. Over the years, rescue organizations (and reputable breeders) have found what works and what doesn't. Their rules aren't arbitrarily decided; it's experience, and often painful experience, that teaches the organization what to want in a potential home.

It has less to do with whether or not you think you would be a good owner or how much you would love the dog, because there is no way to predict or "test" for that. So their only alternative is to require certain conditions for the dog's home to improve his chances. If a potential adopter can provide those conditions, the more likely the dog won't be tossed away again or find itself in the same position that caused it to come into rescue in the first place.

It has everything to do with making sure this particular dog has a safe, secure and happy life in the same home for the remainder of his/her days and that his individual requirements are met. There are more instances of people "trying on" a dog, only to send it back, or simply just ditch it because they are afraid or embarrassed to return it, than you may realize. This can be devastating for a dog to be passed around like a second hand piece of clothing. There are no guarantees, but having no or few requirements puts the dog at a much higher risk of ending up in rescue again or worse. Breeders and rescue cannot protect every dog on the planet, but they can try to do the best for the dogs that they have control over. Wouldn't you?

Right now, go look your own dog in the eyes and tell him you would willingly give him to some stranger with no caveats or stipulations. If you can do that, would you absolutely feel no burden of guilt if something bad happened to the dog? Would you not wish you had been more picky?

Frankly, the litmus test for me is how carefully a breeder or rescue considers a home situation. The person or organization I want a dog from is the one with rules. If they are just turning over a dog in order to make room for more, they don't care much about what happens to that dog. They just want to get rid of it.

 

[NinaA]

We once tried boxer rescue, looking for a dog for my husband, since both Newfs were "mine". We were armed with references, fence, everything we could think of, and they insisted on a home visit to "meet" our dogs in our back yard. I agreed readily, because our girls welcomed all dogs to come play. She insisted on bringing her best behaved boxer because she was concerned that a dog as big as a Newf could harm a boxer. {{{big red flag went up}}} Sure enough, she brings the dog into our back yard and it immediately attacked our sweet old Newf. Embarrassed lady left. End of adoption. Later we saw Scarlett (Lab) on TV and rescued her.

 

[ElvisTheNewf]

I agree with having rules and requirements, but there may be exceptions. I don't think that being deemed a good dog owner should ever come down to having a fenced in yard.

 

[mcme]

I agree. We are not allowed to have a fence high enough for a Newf where we live. We take Dublin for a half hour walk every day. He is taken out on a leash for potty trips. He is a happy, well cared for dog without a fenced yard. We could have given a good home to a rescue Newf, but I knew we would not be considered for one.

 

[estacey]

Education, education, education.

 

[R Taft]

Amen jane..you have an awesome way with words :heart: