Puppy forum - family can post - not the breeder?

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DreamTime Newfs

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Thank God I did not have a puppy available when you contacted me. You never told me that you wanted to breed or that you wanted a full registration. You just stated that you wanted a service dog. The Newfie world is very small and all reputable breeders know each other. You might want to get your stories straight when contacting breeders.
 

ardeagold

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One thing that Nessa touched on...perhaps you could work it out so that you could get your service dog with full registration, breeder as co-owner....and then let the breeder have the girl back to be bred, wherein you get your pick of the litter (or whatever agreement you arrive at), to train as your NEXT service dog.

Few reputable breeders are willing to let their pups go on full registration without some sort of very tight contract and co-ownership so that they have control over what happens with their LINES (via who the dog is bred with, etc). Their reputations and the quality of those lines are at stake.

These breeders have spent tens of thousands (and more...some...hundreds of thousands) of dollars over many many years working on getting the quality of dog they want. They aren't going to throw that away, even for $3,000. Nor should they.

The ones you're talking to who are willing to sell you a puppy on full registration without stringent controls imposed by them, and without you having any experience with Newfs or breeding quality/registered dogs in general, wouldn't be the ones I'd ever buy a pup from. Those that do aren't considered "quality" breeders because they obviously don't care enough about their animals to keep tight controls on what happens to them.
 
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NessaM

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How was I not upfront with lue Ann? She has it listed on her website that if your going to buy from Tarbeary to contact her... And then she told me "buyer beware". Im not sure how I could have been more upfront with her..... Or tarbeary for that matter.
Since Tarbeary hasn't chimed in, we don't know what you've told them. But Lou Ann has said that you did not tell her you intended to breed. That was how you were not up front with Lou Ann. It sounds like you were ALSO not up front with Renee.
 

Dollyboons

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I am going to buy a FULL registration dog, and I am going to breed my dog, IF it passes all health temperment and service tests!! Of that you can be sure. I am also going to quit this crappy clique of a website!
So all you Peole that care so much about dogs, will have zero involvement with the future if my pup, way to go!!! You could have at least had some input... You can all keep your crappy little high school group. I will defer questions to more mature people that don't try to force what they believe onto others, only offer truly helpful advice!
Way to go! You ran off 3 new members in less then 24 hours (my husband and daughter were to join as well) maybe net time you can do it faster.
If anyone wants to contact me with useful information, my email address is dollyboons@yahoo.com and I can be reached on Facebook with the same email address.
Wave!!
 

wrknnwf

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To answer your original question, no, there are no forums for puppy buyers to post want ads with requirements and get responses from reputable breeders. You can advertise in a number of places, but will probably just attract sellers who are only interested in getting rid of puppies, as opposed to finding you your perfect match.

I would also like to add that it's probably more likely to get a near duplicate of your perfect dog from a repeat breeding of it's parents than to try to breed your own. Plus a helluva lot cheaper and less work.

You might have to breed a number of litters from your dog to get one that suits your bill and that's going to start adding up in costs, labor and time lost. If the litters are small, have genetic problems, or if the bitch fails to reproduce, or dies, you're back to square one after considerable expense, both financial and emotional.

If you're dead set on trying to breed a replacement from your own dog, I would talk to a breeder about getting a pup for a service dog on a limited registration/co-ownership, ask if they would be willing to re-evaluate the dog when it's mature with a mind towards breeding, and if so, lift the limited status. If, at that time, the dog proves to be worthy, I would ask the breeder to mentor me in finding a stud, etc.

One thing you haven't mentioned, or I didn't read, is what type of service this dog will perform. While Newfs are used as service dogs, they may not be suitable for certain disabilities. Their size, strength and maintenance requirements may or may not be a detriment.

I can tell you that the most difficult part of a Landseer to keep clean is his legs. The white on his back tends to stay white without a lot of trouble, but those feathers...sheesh! I think a black dog would be a better choice maintenance wise; however, a dog with more white is easier to see in the dark, should that be helpful.

Lastly, I have yet to see a large female Landseer, more black than white, with a big blocky head. Female Newfs are not supposed to be blocky or large like males and black patches on a predominately white background is the preferred coloring, so these would be things a dedicated breeder would be trying to reproduce. A course, mis-marked female is more likely to be sold on limited registration.
 
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YorkvilleNewfie

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How was I not upfront with lue Ann? She has it listed on her website that if your going to buy from Tarbeary to contact her... And then she told me "buyer beware". Im not sure how I could have been more upfront with her..... Or tarbeary for that matter.

But "IMHO" people you have to worry about don't usualy join websites for help with training, etc....

I am happy to supply my breeder with a full list of references, te name and number of my trainer, and vet, my mothers maiden name, and any other information that would help me buy the RIGHT puppy.
You weren't fully honest with Lou Ann when you told her that you wanted a service dog and made no mention of your breeding aspirations.

I joined this site to become more knowledgable of the breed I love and to be part of a community that loves this breed as much as I do. Nearly every regular poster on this site is a Newf owner par-excellence. I would trust anyone here with my girl. We live, breathe, eat, play and dream Newfs here. I'm proud to be a member of this community. Your loss, not ours.

(I deleted this part because I accidentally broke a NN rule! oops!)

I'm getting all riled up because I LOVELOVELOVELIVE Newfs just like everyone on Newf.net does and your posts worry me. I am not the type to stand up and get into it with someone I don't even know, I'm quite timid in fact, but not regarding this thread. I see red flags, even though they're 2000 miles away from where I sit.
 
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pabusinesswoman

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After seeing this post, it has given me another new respect for upstanding breeders and rescue folks trying to educate folks. Don't you just feel like your beating your head against the wall sometimes? :banghead: The logic just does not make sense and they will not listen to any common sense. I hope they do not become a BYB. :(
 
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NessaM

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Don't scream, Kristen. I thought we were all pretty nice. I know I did my best not to shove my ideas down her throat, but rather present her with more palatable (to a reputable breeder), options...

But after Lou Ann and Renee both said she didn't mention breeding to them when she came looking for a puppy, I also contacted my breeder and let her know about this poster, just in case she tries to get a pup out of her. I didn't say anything negative, I just told her what the poster never told Lou Ann and Renee. And I'm not the least bit embarrassed to admit that I did that. Maybe it was being too meddlesome but...well we've all heard the horror stories.
 
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ardeagold

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Like she said...she WILL get her bitch and will get the dog the way she wants it. But we all know that she won't get it from a reputable breeder.

It is sad that she thinks this is a clique...versus a forum where people actually care about the dog/dogs first. If she only knew how much we all disagree...on just about everything...except this. :)

I'm glad to see that everyone here "gets it", and is sticking together on this.

This is where it really shows that yep, "it's about the DOG". :)

If someone wants or needs REAL answers, yep, they can get them here.

Fortunately, in this case, we're not willing to say anything a poster wants to hear...just because they're new and it might "run them off". The truth might not be received kindly, but that still doesn't negate the fact that it's the truth.
 

ardeagold

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Don't scream, Kristen. I thought we were all pretty nice. I know I did my best not to shove my ideas down her throat, but rather present her with more palatable (to a reputable breeder), options...

But after Lou Ann and Renee both said she didn't mention breeding to them when she came looking for a puppy, I also contacted my breeder and let her know about this poster, just in case she tries to get a pup out of her. I didn't say anything negative, I just told her what the poster never told Lou Ann and Renee. And I'm not the least bit embarrassed to admit that I did that. Maybe it was being too meddlesome but...well we've all heard the horror stories.
And that goes to show that no matter how nice you are...some people just take it wrong, and think you're "mean". :) (But that goes back to a whole 'nother conversation, hahahaha)
 

YorkvilleNewfie

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Nessa, between the two of us, you were the nice one! :)

Good riddance to bad news I say.

NNers: I'm sorry everyone had to see my gloves come off. It doesn't happen often. I'm putting them back on right after I hit "Post Quick Reply" :p
 

NessaM

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And that goes to show that no matter how nice you are...some people just take it wrong, and think you're "mean". :) (But that goes back to a whole 'nother conversation, hahahaha)
Doesn't it?! Let's not go there. :)

This poster came off as defensive almost right from the start. I hope she finds herself a service dog. I also hope that if she winds up breeding, that she gets lucky and has an uncomplicated pregnancy, delivery, and weaning.
 

YorkvilleNewfie

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Nessa, in my circle of girlfriends we all have knicknames (The Planner, The Last Word, The Scrambler, etc.)...I'd like to christen you The Diplomat.
 

pabusinesswoman

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Don't scream, Kristen. I thought we were all pretty nice. I know I did my best not to shove my ideas down her throat, but rather present her with more palatable (to a reputable breeder), options...

But after Lou Ann and Renee both said she didn't mention breeding to them when she came looking for a puppy, I also contacted my breeder and let her know about this poster, just in case she tries to get a pup out of her. I didn't say anything negative, I just told her what the poster never told Lou Ann and Renee. And I'm not the least bit embarrassed to admit that I did that. Maybe it was being too meddlesome but...well we've all heard the horror stories.
Nessa.. I thought we all did really well to try to bite our toungues considering the recent other thread. I know... I too REALLY tried to be good.... even fixed my post a few times. :)

York.. that's a perfect title for Nessa.. or.. the detective.. she's always good at getting good info. on a variety of topics. :)

Lou Ann.. can you do any reprocussions on your girl in question?
 
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NessaM

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For the sake of information - poster's name is [removed by GAD], evidently. And I know it was none of my business, contacting my breeder - but it sticks in my craw that she didn't tell Renee or Lou Ann about her intentions to breed. Naturally it is each breeder's choice - who to sell their pups to, but they have the right to know the buyer's full intentions.
 
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wrknnwf

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Ironically, I wouldn't mind having the dog she describes...unfortunately, I don't think that dog exists or will exist. Too many requirements that can't be filled. And the chances of getting another one from the offspring...nil.

Interestingly, it appears that Dollyboons on FB has a male Akita. Wonder if he is intact. I'm not on FB, but a simple google pulled up that info.
 
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NessaM

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It gets weirder guys - Just found these.

http://www.topix.net/forum/pets/T5D0D2IM409OSJIAA

and

http://www.topix.net/forum/pets/TSRVS6L7OSG05P4B1

First one in January of this year says she just bought a Newf puppy and "her" breeder, (so female newf puppy), feeds raw but she doesn't want to feed raw so what's the best diet?

Second one in February says she's looking for a Landseer girl pup as she described to us.

So either the first purchase fell through? Or this woman is gathering multiple females.
 
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