puppy food aggression

kmann

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Griffin is just over 11 weeks old and starting to show signs of food aggression. We brought him home at 8 weeks and each time he ate I tried to pat him, brush him, etc. and he would act like I wasn't even there. We've been teaching him to sit and wait for his food too. It wasn't up until tonight when I fed him his dinner that he wouldn't let me get near him. The closer I got to him the louder he would growl. I told him "no" and took the bowl away from him. After about a minute I gave the bowl back to him, making him sit and wait again. The same thing happened again when I got near him. Took the bowl away again, and the whole cycle continued until he finished his dinner. I also have to add that I just switched his food and this was his first meal eating it. Should I start hand feeding him? Only putting a little in bowl at a time and take it away and re-fill it until he's had his complete meal? I just know I need to nip this behavior in the bud NOW and I need advice!
 

R Taft

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I also think if you take something away, you should trade it for something much better, even awesome.

Annabelle was food aggressive and I used to give her very bland ordinary food via the bowl and awesome treats near her bowl via the hand.

Just taking the bowl can make it worse. Sometimes we expect too much and sometimes we also need to give dogs some peace when eating. i think it is good to get them used to handling, but you need to be careful not to make them anxious and worried.

I would also do some handling and reward with a really good treat when they are calm, well behaved. And even treat if they are just being quiet or lying quietly...I say "good quiet" and treat. it get them used to getting treats for just being. And not always having to do.

I like feeding some dogs via the hand only, or small amount in the bowl and part via the hand. Like Victoria said, check out the site NILF..it is great
 

urneighbour

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You always have such great advice "RTaft". I also think by removing the food bowl like that you are confirming in your pup's head that you are a threat to his food. By coming and dropping special treats in his bowl while he eats conditions him to think people near his food bowl is a good thing!

This is probably not the case, however, someone I know called a behaviourist in because they were experiencing food aggression in their puppy and as it turned our their puppy was not getting enough food and was very hungry which was a contributing factor to the behaviour.
 

R Taft

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This is probably not the case, however, someone I know called a behaviourist in because they were experiencing food aggression in their puppy and as it turned our their puppy was not getting enough food and was very hungry which was a contributing factor to the behaviour.
And sometimes it is all about the basics too :)
 

CoCo2010

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Hi there,

as soon as we got our coco, we hand fed her for a little while, and also making her sitt and give paw as well to get her food, we also put our hands in the bowl while she ate, once we knew that she was going to be fine, we got our kids to do the same, of course with supervision and all went well. now being 18mths old, she runs to her bowl , sits, and always gives me paw without a comand, she knows what to do to get food. good luck

sam
 

Henrys Mom

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All good advice here! I don't really think it's food aggression at 11 weeks old but better to get on top of this before he gets older. No puppy would be allowed to growl at me for anything so you are smart for getting advice. Best of luck your pup will be great!
 

Sierra Newfs

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It is wonderful you are starting with training to insure Griffin is comfortable with you and your around high value items. A couple of things stood out in your post and I think some minor tweaks will result in pretty major changes for the better.

Timing is quite crucial in teaching and it's so easy to get things out of order (timing is one of the first things I consider when I hit a snag with my dogs). If you have been putting Griffin's food down and then starting to pat or brush him, you've been teaching him his food (YAY!) = handling (for most dogs this isn't exactly a YAY! moment without training) . Now if you switch up the order and instead practice brushing (it could be picking up the brush and touching his coat for two seconds) and then offer his food it looks like this, handling = food (YAY!). You want either the behavior (at his age, probably not biting the brush is a good start) or the item (the brush) to predict one of the big YAY! moments. You'll know when Griffin has made the connection when he sees a brush and starts getting all wiggly happy puppy because he knows it means great things are coming his way. You can increase the behavior you ask for (being still for brushing for 10 seconds, just as an example) with time; Griffin will let you know if you've asked for more than he's prepared to deliver.

Right now Griffin is telling you he is stressed when you're near his food. This usually doesn't start out with a growl and I'd wager if you watch him it may start with his ears moving back, his eyes changing into a harder expression, strategically placing himself between you and his food dish, freezing in the middle of chewing or eating, then eating faster and more intensely (almost punching the food), and then a growl. If the growl is ignored things can escalate with a snarl, a snap, and then a bite. When you told him no and took his food dish away you confirmed his concerns were quite valid. Don't practice this! Instead begin with the sit and wait, place his food bowl down and with you in a distance *he* is comfortable with toss him treats that are higher value (bonus points if you can land them in his bowl). When he starts to anticipate your approach by doing the wiggly happy puppy behavior you can decrease your distance (I'd "ping pong" the distance and if he's okay at 2 feet, move back to 3 feet, then 2 feet, etc. don't always make it harder for him). Once you have conditioned a great response when you are next to him I'd move on to Jean Donaldson's Food bowl bonuses: "While the dog is eating, approach and add a bonus consisting of something more palatable than what is in his bowl. The addition can be just dumped in or the bowl can be removed, the bonus added and the bowl returned to the dog. The ideal is to alternate. Again, all family members should participate." If at any time Griffin tells you things are moving too fast, give him space. This will be a fantastic opportunity to improve your observation skills and at the same time let Griffin know by him simply putting his ears backs (if that's the initial stress signal), you'll listen to him and there is no need for him to escalate his behavior any further before you'll hear what he's telling you. Suzanne Clothier covers this quite well in a clip from one of her seminars when she discusses counter conditioning and safety at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwnSdvHI8mg

There is so much to teach a puppy, it is incredibly easy to focus on the training exercises and not see the puppy. I've been guilty of this and it's a lesson I'll likely need to remind myself of with future puppies. A big difference I see with food bowl exercises are more experienced trainers are likely to keep it as a one trial exercise and not practice it as frequently. With only the best of intentions, some less experienced trainers will attempt multiple trials in one meal time, loom over the puppy while they are eating and inadvertently set the puppy up for failure. It is a very important exercise, but dogs need a chance to eat their meals in peace more often than not.

Definitely discuss this with your puppy class instructor, they will be able to offer better advice by having the benefit of seeing the behavior and able to discuss options with you and your family.

Treat recipes:
Tuna brownies - http://www.courteouscanine.com/blog/91-tuna-brownies.html
Turkey meatloaf - http://www.kathysdao.com/recipes.html

Information on why not to punish a growl:
Pat Miller - The Gift of Growl http://www.peaceablepaws.com/articl...82173843&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&type=Pat
Pat Miller - Understanding Dog Growling and Dog Language http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/12_10/features/Training-For-Growling-Behavior_16163-1.html
Joan Orr - Growling at the Kids http://www.doggonesafe.com/growling_at_the_kids
Laurie Luck - My Dog Growled! Now What? http://smartdog.typepad.com/smart_dog/2010/02/my-dog-growled-now-what.html
 

CMDRTED

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I also think if you take something away, you should trade it for something much better, even awesome.

Annabelle was food aggressive and I used to give her very bland ordinary food via the bowl and awesome treats near her bowl via the hand.

Just taking the bowl can make it worse. Sometimes we expect too much and sometimes we also need to give dogs some peace when eating. i think it is good to get them used to handling, but you need to be careful not to make them anxious and worried.

I would also do some handling and reward with a really good treat when they are calm, well behaved. And even treat if they are just being quiet or lying quietly...I say "good quiet" and treat. it get them used to getting treats for just being. And not always having to do.

I like feeding some dogs via the hand only, or small amount in the bowl and part via the hand. Like Victoria said, check out the site NILF..it is great

These are good ideas also. My most recent experience is with Tigger, she would not growl at us, but "you big guys stay away from my bowl." We did the better treat thing, also with Turkey neck bites rewards and the others always respect the others bowls, so that helped. We followed all the recommended things here and it worked out beautifully. They all eat together now and no one bothers anyone else.:groovy:
 

kmann

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Thank you all for your suggestions! You've given me some really really good info. I've been hand feeding him the past couple of days and he's been doing very well with that. I'm definitely going to try giving him something extra/better when I take his bowl away and give it back and even tossing a few treats in his bowl when he's eating.
 

NewfieMama

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Thank you all for your suggestions! You've given me some really really good info. I've been hand feeding him the past couple of days and he's been doing very well with that. I'm definitely going to try giving him something extra/better when I take his bowl away and give it back and even tossing a few treats in his bowl when he's eating.
Glad to see it's working! :)

A PP mentioned the amount of food and it's something to watch for as well...when we first got Zu home she acted like the Tasmanian Devil character at mealtime...trying to knock the bowl out of my hands, etc. and it turned out she needed her food increased a bit.

Good luck and more puppy pictures please! :)
 

new_2_newf

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It is wonderful you are starting with training to insure Griffin is comfortable with you and your around high value items. A couple of things stood out in your post and I think some minor tweaks will result in pretty major changes for the better....
I'd just like to say, this is a phenomenally helpful, well put together post. Thank you!
 

lilly06

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This may sound a bit harsh on my part but when Oliver was a pup he had started growling at me when I was near him while eating. I was a bit shocked because he was so young. I called my breeder immediately and she said that he was trying to express his dominance and in a nut shell I should let him know who was boss. When it happened again it took him to the floor and put him in a submissive mode. We put him into submissive mode a couple of times and it never happened again.

This may not have been the right way to go about things but it did work for us.
 
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