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Varmint
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Largo,
How awful that your family lost all your Grandmothers knowledge. As stated before I believe in both conventional and nonconventional medical practice. When combined, with the proper knowledge, it can be very powerful. I am living proof! I am also living proof that prayer plays a factor too...right Amy?
Tara, I am very interested in the ADHD knowledge that you have. Do you know if the imbalance is the same for Adults with ADD? or are they just now working on it starting with kids first? I am a firm believer in a healthy diet. Like I said, I'm just not very good at it, which I guess doesn't help my ADD very much. oops...
I try to keep my son on a healthy diet, plenty of fruits and vegtables along with good cuts of meat. I try to avoid processed foods, but I find that to be difficult. I have seen what some people feed their kids and it is scarey. Also, I think kids need more excersise than what they are getting today. That is why I play music during the day instead of letting my son watch TV all day long.
oops...I didn't mean to post so much...sorry again, but hey, this way you can look at Mr. Higgins cute nose!!!!! I just love that picture, thanks for pointing it out!
How awful that your family lost all your Grandmothers knowledge. As stated before I believe in both conventional and nonconventional medical practice. When combined, with the proper knowledge, it can be very powerful. I am living proof! I am also living proof that prayer plays a factor too...right Amy?
Tara, I am very interested in the ADHD knowledge that you have. Do you know if the imbalance is the same for Adults with ADD? or are they just now working on it starting with kids first? I am a firm believer in a healthy diet. Like I said, I'm just not very good at it, which I guess doesn't help my ADD very much. oops...
oops...I didn't mean to post so much...sorry again, but hey, this way you can look at Mr. Higgins cute nose!!!!! I just love that picture, thanks for pointing it out!
Varmint
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What are your thoughts at having a baby in a hospital with a midwife assisting? I'm just asking because I understand where you are coming from, but I worry about the safty of Mom and baby. I only say this because my sisters and I would have either lost our children or lost our lives. I have one sister who had a completely normal pregnancy with no complications until birth which became a nightmare. And another sister and I went into labor early, and in the case of my son, would have died if not received immediate medical care. He was not breathing right and had complications with his heartrate. I know that our cases are the extreme, which is why I am curious about the midwife at the hospital, as my husband and I want a second child and I have been thinking about this......
Erin Marie
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I did the medical doctor hospital thing with my 1st....had a hospital midwife who was horrible, was induced for 8 hours...had enough and went home, had him at home a week later with my midwives. He came out not breathing, purple, had to give him O2...but he pinked up. A hospita midwife is differnt then a home birth midwife. Mine are really good and you have to healthy and meet their requirments or they won't take you on. They will transport you if need be. I trust them completely. If you are interested I can talk to you more...pm me your number and I'll call you. I love talking birth.
TNeuf
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Erin Marie: Very nicely put. I agree with you 100%. (Thought I'd put in my support for anyone that's about to fire away ).
I don't know about the difference between parents and children with ADHD. I think sometimes they like to put labels on things that they can't fix (as in "oh, you have problems concentrating, you feel agitated etc.... so you would fall under the ADHD column"). So, with the banging of the head on your post, I think you know what you gotta' do sister
- EAT WELL!!! Or if you want, I could come bang your head for you everytime you put junk in your mouth - just an offer, there would be a fee involved of course.
). I don't know about the difference between parents and children with ADHD. I think sometimes they like to put labels on things that they can't fix (as in "oh, you have problems concentrating, you feel agitated etc.... so you would fall under the ADHD column"). So, with the banging of the head on your post, I think you know what you gotta' do sister
Sailorgirl
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Originally posted by NewfyChic:
Wow ... judging by the fact that you are 31 either you were a child prodigy or you must have gone to one of those special neurology high schools!
Varmint
Inactive Member
That may be what I need.....I'm a chocolate-a-holic! I can't stay away from it!Originally posted by TNeuf:
So, with the banging of the head on your post, I think you know what you gotta' do sister- EAT WELL!!! Or if you want, I could come bang your head for you everytime you put junk in your mouth - just an offer, there would be a fee involved of course.
Annie Milliron
Alpha Goddess
Gentle Reminder: disscussions on this forum are intended to be about holistic/natural care for dogs.
Sailorgirl
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That must be a new record for a mod warning in a new forum!
Annie Milliron
Alpha Goddess
Hey.... there was no warning... it was and is a gentle reminder
Sailorgirl
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I know Annie ... I'm just joshing with ya... and a GOOD gentle reminder as well!
Leslie
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I think the basic thing here is that we can't always trust what is said to us by the FDA, the Government, the Physicians and the news (can I get an "amen" here??) Just ask the women who took Thalidomide. I have nothing against any of these organizations. I just want to get all the information I can, opinions, facts, heresay, whatever, so that I can form an opinion I can a) support and b) feel comfortable with. I don't vaccinate after the initial rounds because I don't need to. Period.
I have not read good things about nosode treatment. They do no harm but the levels of resistance they are able to create do not seem powerful enough to offer immunity.
Again, if you're comfortable with what you do, do it. Is it best? For you, yes.
I have not read good things about nosode treatment. They do no harm but the levels of resistance they are able to create do not seem powerful enough to offer immunity.
Again, if you're comfortable with what you do, do it. Is it best? For you, yes.
NewfyChic
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Nope. Started at the office after school at the age of 16. My Mother is the office Admin, so that is where I was after school. And for the next 14 years...Originally posted by Sailorgirl:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by NewfyChic:
Wow ... judging by the fact that you are 31 either you were a child prodigy or you must have gone to one of those special neurology high schools!</font>
Edited to add...Sorry Annie, I just scrolled down and didn't see your "Gentle Reminder" Forgive me please.
[ 02-24-2005, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: NewfyChic ]
ardeagold
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I think there's room for both conventional and holistic methods. That's why I respected and admired my former Vet so much. He began by being a conventional Vet and then went on to found the AHVMA. He would use conventional medicine when there was an urgent need...in the case of an accident or severe illness. He knew that wasn't the time to be practicing holistic medicine.
However, once the animal's emergency was over, he would make suggestions and recommendations to help the animal heal more quickly, and stay healthier via a holistic approach.
Holistic means exactly that... "the whole". Everything must be taken into consideration...diet, environment, stress levels, etc. Once that's done, a plan for healthy living can be made to reduce the negative impact of "life" on the body.
For example. I asked Dr Tiekert about giving HW meds and Frontline. Normally, he would be totally against "poisoning" an animal in this way. However, being the rational man he is, he stressed how important it is to continue those treatments in the area we live in. The diseases are worse than the treatment, and there's nothing currently known to alternative medicine to eliminate the dangers from ticks and mosquitos. But, he did advise me how to build up their immune systems, so the "chemicals" would have less opportunity to do damage. Bacteria and viruses are "opportunistic" and will attack an already weakend body. Chemicals can weaken the body...making it a haven for those opportunistic "bad guys".
So...as in everything, you need to look at the whole picture and gauge what's important. I'm sure that if we suddenly had a smallpox outbreak running rampant through the country, many who don't believe in vaccinations would, in that particular instance, realize that it might be extremely important to have that vaccination...and then go and boost the immune system as much as possible with more natural methods.
It doesn't mean those people have turned against their beliefs, it just means that nothing's written in stone, and, generally, one does what's necessary in any given situation.
Keeping an open mind for all possibilities is what's important. No doors should be closed, but caution should always be used...whether in conventional medicine or more natural methods. Keep in mind that both can be dangerous to your health if you (or somebody) doesn't know what you're (they're) doing.
Herbs, flowers, roots, stems, oils, and essences are often very powerful chemicals...so make sure you have proper guidance from someone who knows what they're doing, before you start experimenting with yourself, your kids, or your animals!! (This is where someone like Rona's Grandmother, bless her soul, would be invaluable!!)
[ 02-25-2005, 12:23 AM: Message edited by: Ardeagold ]
However, once the animal's emergency was over, he would make suggestions and recommendations to help the animal heal more quickly, and stay healthier via a holistic approach.
Holistic means exactly that... "the whole". Everything must be taken into consideration...diet, environment, stress levels, etc. Once that's done, a plan for healthy living can be made to reduce the negative impact of "life" on the body.
For example. I asked Dr Tiekert about giving HW meds and Frontline. Normally, he would be totally against "poisoning" an animal in this way. However, being the rational man he is, he stressed how important it is to continue those treatments in the area we live in. The diseases are worse than the treatment, and there's nothing currently known to alternative medicine to eliminate the dangers from ticks and mosquitos. But, he did advise me how to build up their immune systems, so the "chemicals" would have less opportunity to do damage. Bacteria and viruses are "opportunistic" and will attack an already weakend body. Chemicals can weaken the body...making it a haven for those opportunistic "bad guys".
So...as in everything, you need to look at the whole picture and gauge what's important. I'm sure that if we suddenly had a smallpox outbreak running rampant through the country, many who don't believe in vaccinations would, in that particular instance, realize that it might be extremely important to have that vaccination...and then go and boost the immune system as much as possible with more natural methods.
It doesn't mean those people have turned against their beliefs, it just means that nothing's written in stone, and, generally, one does what's necessary in any given situation.
Keeping an open mind for all possibilities is what's important. No doors should be closed, but caution should always be used...whether in conventional medicine or more natural methods. Keep in mind that both can be dangerous to your health if you (or somebody) doesn't know what you're (they're) doing.
Herbs, flowers, roots, stems, oils, and essences are often very powerful chemicals...so make sure you have proper guidance from someone who knows what they're doing, before you start experimenting with yourself, your kids, or your animals!! (This is where someone like Rona's Grandmother, bless her soul, would be invaluable!!)
[ 02-25-2005, 12:23 AM: Message edited by: Ardeagold ]
robandrobin
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Oh, I don't think this is true. I am not meaning to offend. But I am an herbalist (note herbalist NOT a Naturopathic)and worked as an anthropologist. I've done a great deal of transcriptions for some books up here. Some regarding exactly this, the plants how they were harvested and such. During the summers the tundra has a major variety of roots, berries, and whole plants they store. In fact their knowledge of nutrition and herbalism is intense though rapidly disappearing and being replaced. Many are trying to document for the younger generations by taking the oral histories down and transcribing them. Compiling them in teir own libraries and at the University of Anchorage, Cultural centers etc.
Herbalism...It is for some and not for others. It works for some and not for others. A personal decision. I have great respect for both. Many modern medicines are synthetically derived from isolated phytochemicals. The active constituents in certain plant species!
[ 02-25-2005, 06:52 AM: Message edited by: RobandRobin ]
Varmint
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I have really been thinking about a lot of what has been said here and I have to ask anyone how someone can find a good holistic healer? (do they use the term doctor? I'm a little confused on title.) My Vet studied in American but then did some study in Canada with a holistic vet and he combines both very well. Like what Ardeagold was talking about. I really like his methods of seeing my pets as a whole. When they are sick, he treats the illness and then treats the body. I would like to have that with all of my family but I have no idea how to find someone. What can I look for? There are many people out there who pretend to know what they are talking aobut (like the person who gave newfychic trantuala eggs). How can I weed them out?
robandrobin
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Long and boring so skip if you don't like reading. I thought detail was necessary and someone might appreciate it.
This is a hard question. I suppose it would depend on what you are looking for. You also need to talk personally with the professional (herbalism, aromatherapy, and etc is a profession). Minor situations...cuts, bruises, flu's, minor bronchitis, so much more can be addressed easily without much tadoo. Like general herbal teas, tinctures...on and on. Remember the precautions: you should consult a physician, herbs are not a replacement in all cases, or if condition worsens consult physician. Herbalists cannot diagnose.
An example, A doctor would know if you have broncitis. He/She prescribes medication. You go to the herbalist and say...this is what I have...depending on the situation the herbalist will ask you major questions or not. Usually they should. Herbs for the most part are safe, but anyone at anytime can be allergic to herbs, and some herbs have contraindications. Then an herbalist, will go from there...ask about stress, your respitory system, immune system, diet, excersize, many areas are taken into consideration. Something is happening to cause that broncitis in your system. That is what will/should be addressed. Each person is individual. Some things are minor some things are not. An herbalist should be trained or practiced to recognize certain conditions and should feel alright in referring their client elswhere if need be. So check for professionalism.
Check with your usual physician or health care provider. Tell them you want a wholistic approach to health care...and visit with your doctor/vet. Some doctors/vets are not adverse to the wholistic idea and can refer you to different folks, won't mind working with such an individual, won't mind if you do and will help keep an eye on your situation.
Next use caution. Herblists come in all shapes and sizes...meaning very different thought processes and practices. Mainly they stick to the dynamics of herbs and plant phytochemicals, diet, excersize, hygeine, and so forth. What this group of herbs and foods can, will, or may do for the body to assist in balancing strengthening area that need assistance. Some herbs heal, assist in healing, assist in reversing the base of the problem, assist in balancing our systems that are afflicted, strengthen other systems, health management, mental health management, so on so forth.
Now: Many herbalists believe, an herbalist does NOT physically work on you beyond the usual care (temperature, eyes, feel of skin, hair etc). A major up-crop of individuals claiming to be "herbalists" or holistic "doctors" diagnosing, using leaches, burn the skin, use cutting techniques, tarantula eggs (new one to me
) are claiming to be herbalists and doctors. They are not herbalists and they are probably not even doctors. An herbalist usually works with a client, physician or Naturopathic after a diagnosis has been made. We cannot diagnose, we are NOT doctors.
A Naturapath is, for the most part, a Doctor. Like a major top of the line nurse with far more training. Almost the same training as a doctor. They go through very different training. With this you can check the diploma. Find out where they graduated and then double check that it is a real college. Basically, find out about the background schooling.
If anyone uses massage, acupuncture, any type of alternative medicines...check their training. This is tough with herbalists because many people are trained by others personally, or it is handed down from grandmothers (those very special folks in our lives), or other herbal sources and have no certification, nor do they need it. Note...nothing wrong with good old fashioned researching and books. We are moving out of an age that had outlawed herbalism and placed negative stigmas to herbalism. So, much of the handed down knowlege is now in the form of books. Some herbalists have certifications. Check where the certifications come from. Some are indeed valid...others are not. SOme herbalists are in the situation of getting certified (like me) just so they can be recognized, or learn new herbal approaches. A lot of this you have to use some of your gut instinct.
The major and final decision should rest on you. I mean if your dog has parvo...very infectuous and kills...for god's sake...get to the vet. Innoculate against this. Don't mess around with serious issues. Always consult the doctor/vet for the condition then if you want to use alternative medincine...do so. Remember that only a licensed physician can diagnose.
Edited to say: Check with your insurance coverage. Many States now reconize alternative medicines and some insurance companies will pay a portion.
[ 02-25-2005, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: RobandRobin ]
This is a hard question. I suppose it would depend on what you are looking for. You also need to talk personally with the professional (herbalism, aromatherapy, and etc is a profession). Minor situations...cuts, bruises, flu's, minor bronchitis, so much more can be addressed easily without much tadoo. Like general herbal teas, tinctures...on and on. Remember the precautions: you should consult a physician, herbs are not a replacement in all cases, or if condition worsens consult physician. Herbalists cannot diagnose.
An example, A doctor would know if you have broncitis. He/She prescribes medication. You go to the herbalist and say...this is what I have...depending on the situation the herbalist will ask you major questions or not. Usually they should. Herbs for the most part are safe, but anyone at anytime can be allergic to herbs, and some herbs have contraindications. Then an herbalist, will go from there...ask about stress, your respitory system, immune system, diet, excersize, many areas are taken into consideration. Something is happening to cause that broncitis in your system. That is what will/should be addressed. Each person is individual. Some things are minor some things are not. An herbalist should be trained or practiced to recognize certain conditions and should feel alright in referring their client elswhere if need be. So check for professionalism.
Check with your usual physician or health care provider. Tell them you want a wholistic approach to health care...and visit with your doctor/vet. Some doctors/vets are not adverse to the wholistic idea and can refer you to different folks, won't mind working with such an individual, won't mind if you do and will help keep an eye on your situation.
Next use caution. Herblists come in all shapes and sizes...meaning very different thought processes and practices. Mainly they stick to the dynamics of herbs and plant phytochemicals, diet, excersize, hygeine, and so forth. What this group of herbs and foods can, will, or may do for the body to assist in balancing strengthening area that need assistance. Some herbs heal, assist in healing, assist in reversing the base of the problem, assist in balancing our systems that are afflicted, strengthen other systems, health management, mental health management, so on so forth.
Now: Many herbalists believe, an herbalist does NOT physically work on you beyond the usual care (temperature, eyes, feel of skin, hair etc). A major up-crop of individuals claiming to be "herbalists" or holistic "doctors" diagnosing, using leaches, burn the skin, use cutting techniques, tarantula eggs (new one to me
A Naturapath is, for the most part, a Doctor. Like a major top of the line nurse with far more training. Almost the same training as a doctor. They go through very different training. With this you can check the diploma. Find out where they graduated and then double check that it is a real college. Basically, find out about the background schooling.
If anyone uses massage, acupuncture, any type of alternative medicines...check their training. This is tough with herbalists because many people are trained by others personally, or it is handed down from grandmothers (those very special folks in our lives), or other herbal sources and have no certification, nor do they need it. Note...nothing wrong with good old fashioned researching and books. We are moving out of an age that had outlawed herbalism and placed negative stigmas to herbalism. So, much of the handed down knowlege is now in the form of books. Some herbalists have certifications. Check where the certifications come from. Some are indeed valid...others are not. SOme herbalists are in the situation of getting certified (like me) just so they can be recognized, or learn new herbal approaches. A lot of this you have to use some of your gut instinct.
The major and final decision should rest on you. I mean if your dog has parvo...very infectuous and kills...for god's sake...get to the vet. Innoculate against this. Don't mess around with serious issues. Always consult the doctor/vet for the condition then if you want to use alternative medincine...do so. Remember that only a licensed physician can diagnose.
Edited to say: Check with your insurance coverage. Many States now reconize alternative medicines and some insurance companies will pay a portion.
[ 02-25-2005, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: RobandRobin ]