Help on getting people on CL informed about BYBs.

Babymine

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A couple of us are trying to get the word out on CL to let people know that BYB is prohibited on CL and how it affects animals. We are also trying to educate them about selling animals for free and flagging all the BYBs for removal. Do you know anyone that could help us in different CL locations and just paste the messages? I thought maybe a animal lover yahoo group or something similar. The BYBs are flagging us so our messages are deleted.

Christmas is the busiest time for them.
 
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dblsr

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I was pretty upset while watching the dog show on Thanksgiving day. One of the comentators informed the public, that one of the dogs being shown was purchased on craigs list, from somewhere overseas. "I was furious". They of all people should know better. I can't remember which dog it was, but I have it recorded.
 

Ginny

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I was pretty upset while watching the dog show on Thanksgiving day. One of the comentators informed the public, that one of the dogs being shown was purchased on craigs list, from somewhere overseas. "I was furious". They of all people should know better. I can't remember which dog it was, but I have it recorded.
Hmmm...very interesting...
 

Murphy

New member
I never knew this existed. Are BYB allowed on here? If not I'll post our messages here.

Yes they sure are.. I have a system where I get an alert in my inbox every morning for every ad posted that has the word Newfoundland in it under the pet category. My intent is to be able to assist the odd one looking to surrender their Newf and who do not know about Rescue. Sadly most of the ads are BYB's looking to make a buck. :banghead:
 
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Ginny

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There are no rules barring BYBers from NN.

It's the job of the potential puppy buyer to fully check out who they are looking to buy from. Here are just a few things that point to a reputable breeder:

  • one who has AKC dogs from champ lines and shows their breeding dogs. A red flag is person who breeds their own dogs - unless they're a long time, large reputable breeder
  • if not a long time breeder, has a mentor who is a NCA member who is on the NCA breeders' list
  • one who has health clearances (minimally heart, hips, & elbows) on their dog/s which are verified through the OFA database or can provide legitimate certificates of clearances
  • one who doesn't allow pups to go to new homes until at least 9wks old with a heart clearance from a board certified cardiologist
  • one who is a member of at least a regional club; better regional and NCA
Here are links to

Finding a Good Breeder http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=85551

Questions to Ask Your Breeder http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=38470

How to Check for Health Clearances http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=39038
 

dblsr

New member
There are no rules barring BYBers from NN.

It's the job of the potential puppy buyer to fully check out who they are looking to buy from. Here are just a few things that point to a reputable breeder:

  • one who has AKC dogs from champ lines and shows their breeding dogs. A red flag is person who breeds their own dogs - unless they're a long time, large reputable breeder
  • if not a long time breeder, has a mentor who is a NCA member who is on the NCA breeders' list
  • one who has health clearances (minimally heart, hips, & elbows) on their dog/s which are verified through the OFA database or can provide legitimate certificates of clearances
  • one who doesn't allow pups to go to new homes until at least 9wks old with a heart clearance from a board certified cardiologist
  • one who is a member of at least a regional club; better regional and NCA
Here are links to

Finding a Good Breeder http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=85551

Questions to Ask Your Breeder http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=38470

How to Check for Health Clearances http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=39038
I agree with most of what you have written, but not all. There are plenty of reputable breeders that don't show. I don't, that does not make me a back yard breeder.
 

Ginny

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I agree with most of what you have written, but not all. There are plenty of reputable breeders that don't show. I don't, that does not make me a back yard breeder.
The fact that showing facilitates properly evaluating a dog in relation to the breed standard has been discussed many, many times on this forum. If memory serves me, you were in on some of the discussions. You can do a search for the other threads if you like. I won't comment beyond that...
 

Henrys Mom

New member
So what you are saying is any one who does not show their dogs but breeds them is a BYB? Interesting thought. I do not breed nor will I ever but I do try to learn as much as I can about the breed. I will do a search and try to find the topic you are referring to.

As far as trying to ban or flag all BYB on Craigslist I believe is a lost cause. As you have witnessed they can flag you just as well. I do find it quite disturbing that there are KNOWN BYB on NN. You know this to be FACT? That they are breeding Newfies without any regard to the breed standard and selling them simply for profit and not love of the breed and education of the breed? If this is the case then I really think something should be done. They could easily be attracting people to buy puppies on NN and I am sure this is not what the forum is intended for.

Interesting stuff...
 

Sun Valley

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There are no rules barring BYBers from NN.

  • one who doesn't allow pups to go to new homes until at least 9wks old with a heart clearance from a board certified cardiologist
  • one who is a member of at least a regional club; better regional and NCA
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Those are two of my biggest pet peeves! And I see way too many people on NN introducing their new 8 week old puppy...That in it self should raise a red flag.

And there is absolutely NO reason why anyone who is breeding is not or should not be a member of the NCA or a regional club. Another red flag in my book.

Lou Ann
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
I do find it quite disturbing that there are KNOWN BYB on NN. You know this to be FACT? T
Just because a breeder joins a public forum like NN, does not make them a reputable breeder. This is the internet and breeders have to be investigated as to their breeding practices, affiliations, etc. before buying a pup from them.
Like Lou Ann, when I see people here mentioning their new 8 week old pup, I know it is not from and NCA breeder and has not been heart checked by a cardiologist.
 

Windancer

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you know....I have been watching this thread....and I just think it is in very poor taste to make an accusation on a public forum that "There are back yard breeders disguising themselves......"(etc) What good purpose can this serve? If you believe this is true, in your opinion, why not go to that person directly ? Maybe they could use your help..It certainly eludes me why anyone would stay in the business of breeding Newfoundlands for very long, outside of loving it....It is One Big Job....and there are certainly easier ways to make a living...if that is what you are doing..
 

Ren

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I've wanted a Newf for at least 10 years, and when I was finally ready it took me 2 full years of looking for a breeder. In all that time I was educating myself on the breed and the process of finding a healthy beautiful dog. One of the places I looked for information was this forum.

The best practice is to get the ideas out in a positive manner and let people form their own educated opinions. Newf.net was definitely a positive source for me, and I very much appreciate everyone's passion for the breed.
 

Ginny

New member
you know....I have been watching this thread....and I just think it is in very poor taste to make an accusation on a public forum that "There are back yard breeders disguising themselves......"(etc) What good purpose can this serve? If you believe this is true, in your opinion, why not go to that person directly ? Maybe they could use your help..It certainly eludes me why anyone would stay in the business of breeding Newfoundlands for very long, outside of loving it....It is One Big Job....and there are certainly easier ways to make a living...if that is what you are doing..
No accusations were made, just stating a fact. No one was singled out, Julie.

The purpose of that fact stating? to educate. A forum such as this can inadvertently legitimize a contributing breeder. The surprise expressed that BYBers are on NN, supports this. People new to the breed and to this forum hopefully, will read what's been posted, do the research into the breeder and the pedigree, and make informed decisions when buying a pup. As was pointed out, time and time again, we see pups that are being introduced to the NN family that obviously have come from breeders who don't meet the standards of the NCA. Those guidelines for choosing a reputable breeder are in place to protect our special breed.

You say it eludes you as to why someone would breed unless they love the breed? The simple fact is that if a breeder isn't spending money on showing, doing health clearances, vet support, and stud fees, profit can be had. Some don't do it as a way to make a living, but to supplement a living. I don't deny that some of these people do love the breed, but they choose to cut corners for whatever reason. In the end, the Newfoundland loses.

Many of these breeders know better, but in the end, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.' Hopefully, those looking for a new family addition will...
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
One of the places I looked for information was this forum.

The best practice is to get the ideas out in a positive manner and let people form their own educated opinions. Newf.net was definitely a positive source for me, and I very much appreciate everyone's passion for the breed.
That is exactly what this board should be...a good resource for information. There are breeders on this board at all different levels and it is up to the puppy buyer to do their own research.
 

Babymine

New member
My main hatred is the BYBs of pits. I have gone to 3 local shelters and they are full with pit and pit mixes. One CL site I was on was selling 6 week old puppies. Just makes me sick.
 

KatieB

New member
I have to agree with Ginny. I have a dog from a BYB and also one from a very reputable breeder. Doesn't mean I love either any differently, but there's a very big difference in truly doing everything possible to improve the breed and produce the best newfies. Like it or not showing is a part of that. Not all of it, but certainly a part if you are genuinely trying to better your lines and the breed. No accusations were made but it is somewhat apparent that most of the puppies we see on this board come from less than outstanding breeders so the need for more education on the differences is certainly necessary and warranted.
 
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