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Kodabear

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Koda is doing well with all commands but come. If she is excited about something and I tell her to come, she ignores me completely. To me this could turn into a dangerous situation! When we are doing our training sessions she always comes because she knows I have a treat, if we are out in the real world, yeah right. I just dont want to get into a situation where she runs out in front of a car or something horrible like that. Any suggestions?
 

KodysGrandma

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double check with Ronnie but I believe she ALWAYS treats for comes, no matter where they are she carries treats for that.
 

mareserinitatis

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I actually use kibble for treats (except at puppy classes where I bring out the big guns), so I start the day by filling one of my pockets with kibble. That way I always have some on hand. It really helps! :D

Good luck. I know how frustrating that can be.
 

Kodabear

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Thank you all for the tips. I will just have to turn into a walking treat dispenser. It sounds like a good way to make her listen to me! I am determined to get her to learn come as soon as possible!
 

mareserinitatis

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The bows don't usually last too long. She goes in for another bath on Wednesday (she's got puppy acne), so I'll see if I can get another shot of her when she gets home. I totally squee when I go to get her, though. :)
 

R Taft

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double check with Ronnie but I believe she ALWAYS treats for comes, no matter where they are she carries treats for that.
I am a professional treat carrier :lol:, especially because i am training quite a few dogs at present. Both our own and Assistance dogs. "Come" is so very very important and might safe a life one day. I first get my dog to just get paired with the clicker or "yes" . I just click and feed. they do nothing, I just pair the clicker. From that I go on to name and the same, name, look at me and get fed. Get a jackpot when you come to me. When I first start training I feed the dogs meal this way. We feed RAW, so it is mostly RAW meat and they love it. So first you pair the clicker, which is what you are doing. then the clicker becomes a "battery" and charged....you have a few clicks, which are "rewarding" in a sense. Katy cannot help herself and so are the others, you click and they look. I use "name/come", click when they look and them get exited and happy "good girl/boy". As soon as they arrive it is click and "jack-pot" reward. Lots of little bits one at the time. One piece can seem like six and they think they have scored a high reward. I also let them "off you go" again if not in a dangerous spot. I will do this in an area up to twenty times. And I start inside the house, which i know they will be close enough to "come" they just keep coming back for more. They are really tricked into thinking "come" is just a hoot. And I make the distance greater and greater. Also the trick is to call them and let them go again. So many people call their dog and then all the fun is over and they have to go back on leash or go home if out and about.
When we are out we re-call our dogs lots of times and let them go again and have fun. So our dogs come out of a game with other dogs, quickly get a treat and most of the time are allowed out again. Hence to them the chance of a good event connected with the word "come" is very high
I was nearly sent flying in our last recall at a trial, because Annabelle was so fast on "come" and she was so keen to sit in the position. She just got "touch" rewards at the end of exercise. Which is also a great charged "battery" during trials at the end of each exercise. My dogs think touch is a great reward. And at the end of the trial they get a jackpot again.
It has upped Annabelle, who was so sad during trails.
Katy is the most exited, because she has done clicker/yes and "touch" since day one.
Touch has even become a confidence giver to Tessa, who had trouble with stays, because when I say "stay" and use my hand command close to her nose, she does a soft touch and it has helped her so much, she will do the out of sight forever now. Probably cheating.

I still think the most important part of training"come" is to let them go again and again.
Also to have the best treats (high value). I also carry cheese, It is the best treat and if we get a flying "come" it comes as a reward.
When I am at Obedience and we have a few dogs off leash and I say "come" I get a few dogs, including my own. I think it is also how you say it, happy, happy.......
And even if they came slowly on a name only recall, because I did not use the word "come". I always reward, even if it is only a low value treat or just "good girl". If I have called once and they do not come, I go and get them, say nothing and put them away..... They hate that. We hardly ever have to do that, only to the new ones.
Good luck and happy training :) Ronnie
 

urneighbour

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"I still think the most important part of training"come" is to let them go again and again."
(R Taft)

I think this is almost as important as the reward! Once we were confident that they knew the command and would respond, we made the mistake of often using the command come and then "rewarding" them by snapping the leash on them to go home. It didn't take them long at all to figure out that come meant the end of play time. :darn:

We had to turn come back into a game of come and go. When it is time to go home, we would go to them instead to put the leash on.
 

Kodabear

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Thanks for all the fantastic suggestions. I think I will have to use cheese instead of liver treats because ugh that smell! But using high value treats is a great plan of action.
 

KodysGrandma

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Lisa- We buy some liver treats from Petsmart that are high value in this house at least. Thunder absolutely adores them and so do the rest of the gang.
 

R Taft

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My travelling treats are microwaved liver. The liver goes kinda spongy and does not make too much mess when carried in a small pouch. Cheese is the top one. But When I first start with beginners it is their whole meal. Just during the whole day, on and off (nothing in life is for free system), that when you feed RAW is messy :lol:
 

R Taft

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We had to turn come back into a game of come and go. When it is time to go home, we would go to them instead to put the leash on.
Funnily enough that is what we used to do, until we had a couple of Assistance dogs, who predicted the move towards them as "time over"

But it can also come unstuck. Because if the dog thinks that when you go over the game stops, they might start running when you move towards them. That is why we try to be unpredictable with the "come" and just make it fun. And the majority of "come" still ends up being able to have fun and great rewards, even if only praise in the future. That has just been our experience.

The one thing I forgot to mention is that when we call "come" and they come and sit, we also always touch theit collar...this especially in flighty dogs get them used to having the collar touched. Often dogs come, but as soon as you reach for the collar they go and run away...........:) Ronnie
 

Kodabear

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I have never heard of the collar touching method but it makes a lot of sense especially in life threatening situations.
 

wrknnwf

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100% everything Ronnie said...

Only thing I have to add is that every time they don't come, they are practicing NOT coming. And it's repetitions that make a behavior sink in.

Until they are reliable, don't use the word "come" unless you can enforce it. That is, practice on a leash or long line. Use a different word or phrase if you are calling the dog in a situation where he has and will probably use his option to disobey. That way, you don't taint your important recall command.

And never call the dog if you intend to do something unpleasant. Go get the dog instead.
 
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