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[Sound Bay Newfs]

I have to ask where all those puppy mills, stores and bybs being sold and filling our shelters and rescues obtained their breeding stock to begin with?

I am not trying to start anything here and yes most reputable breeders, shelters and rescues will screen that is still no guarantee that dog will end up in a loving home.

A BYB breeder will sell their pups to anyone with money many times. Sadly that can be a puppy mill, then they in turn sell to stores. As far as the "guarantee" goes that a pup will end up in a loving home, there are no guarantees in life. We can only try to minimize the chances of a bad placement. Some don't even bother.

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

Another question to all you U.S. people. How important is it to you that your Newf puppy is registered with AKC?

I am curious about your answers because up here the breeder registers the puppies, not the owners.

If you buy a pup that you want to do AKC events with, then the pup has to be AKC registered. Someone that is looking for a loving pet, does not care that much. The breeder can register the pups or they can let the owner send in the paperwork to AKC.

 

[YorkvilleNewfie]

This doesn't really get addressed in a lot of the BYB conversations, but Mila's breeder also tries to rope you into the supplemental income scheme that is NuVet Supplements. If a breeder requires that you give your pup a certain food or supplement and that you have to use the breeders' ID # or broker # when ordering the product...THAT is not the behavior of a reputable breeder with the best interests of the pup at heart, IMO, that's a breeder trying to squeaze out supplemental income for the lifetime of the pups they sell. Again, that is just my personal opinion (that it is a red flag to look out for).

 

[BLCOLE]

This doesn't really get addressed in a lot of the BYB conversations, but Mila's breeder also tries to rope you into the supplemental income scheme that is NuVet Supplements. If a breeder requires that you give your pup a certain food or supplement and that you have to use the breeders' ID # or broker # when ordering the product...THAT is not the behavior of a reputable breeder with the best interests of the pup at heart, IMO, that's a breeder trying to squeaze out supplemental income for the lifetime of the pups they sell. Again, that is just my personal opinion (that it is a red flag to look out for).

Is it possible to agree more than 100 percent on something said?

 

[TerriW]

I think the saddest part about this is that the average mom & dad and couple of kids don't set out to support BYBs or puppy mills when they decide to get a dog. I know I didn't know anything about them. My first Newf *would* have been from a BYB if the breeder hadn't lied to me and said the dam 'hemorrhaged and lost all the pups' (a lie). She gave us our deposit back.

We were fortunate enough to go to a dog show (the Detroit Kennel Club All-Breed Benched Dog Show) where we met with breeders of the three dog breeds were interested in and found our Max's breeder - and our Max- after waiting a bit. It gave us the added opportunity to look at other dogs while we were at the show, as well. But, of course, we fell in love with the gentle giants. (I confess "high energy" scared the crap out of me, when we were looking at goldens, and "sometimes skittish" when we were looking at Bernese).

But I can sure tell you, I would never have known where to find a reputable breeder......Keep in mind this was pre-Internet days, so often your only resort was to look in the newspaper want ads, the pet stores in the mall, or ask a vet - - if you had a vet.

The power of the Internet is wonderful. It's much easier to screen, contact, chat, etc, having computers!

 

[Bailey Boy]

Sarah has AKC papers although we never registered her we didn't plan on working her. Registration is required if you plan on dock diving and some other events if you don't plan to show. Our Sarah is a product of a byb, her sire was AKC and had ED her dam was AKC and has allergies both of which Sarah inherited.

AKC used to be a good thing it is sad that good reputable breeders spend a lot of time, money, training and testing to make sure their dogs are adding too not taking from their breed, only to end up in the same pool at the byb's and mills. I don't know how you keep doing it but my hats off too you for doing so.

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

... it is sad that good reputable breeders spend a lot of time, money, training and testing to make sure their dogs are adding too not taking from their breed, only to end up in the same pool at the byb's and mills. I don't know how you keep doing it but my hats off too you for doing so.

Not sure what you mean? Do you think all newfs are the same lines regardless of where they come from? I think you are missing the point that responsible breeders research different lines, and their lines and breed with lines that are compatible with what compliments their lines best. Puppy mills will breed anything.

 

[Bailey Boy]

I am just trying to say for all the trouble reputable breeders go through with the cost and time spent producing the best dog they can under AKC or CKC registry.

The puppy mills and back yard breeders without putting much time or effort can say I have AKC/CKC dogs for sale too.

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

I see your point now, Bailey Boy. You are right that over the years it does not mean as much to have an AKC registered dog. But show breeders need the registry to compete in AKC events.

 

[Ginny]

Unfortunately, the general public thinks AKC=quality dog.

 

[robertjt]

Unfortunately, the general public thinks AKC=quality dog.

Sadly - I'll admit this was us. NN has opened our eyes and we have learned so much.

 

[TerriW]

You're not alone. I used to think that, too. As I mentioned earlier, the Internet has really helped people do their research....as long as they DO do their research!

 

[TerriW]

For me there are red flags for the first two examples the rescue at least did more to place their pup in a safe home then the breeders by doing a vet check, home visit and drop by visit.

Just noticed this comment. ^ The breeders I got Max and Ben from DID ask for vet references, but neither one did a home check. Is that something a breeder usually does? Both asked about our house and yard. And were happy we have a fenced yard with woods and a river behind us.

And, regarding the rescue doing the right stuff, I later found out Morgan was the NINTH dog she had rescued and given away. She said "He scares my 3-year-old". I ran into her at a coffee shop about five years later and she asked about Morgan. Her little boy was with her, and she said to her son (about 7 at the time, or 8) "These people adopted Morgan! Do you remember Morgan? Our big black Newf? You were afraid of him!" Out of the mouths of babes, he said "I was never afraid of Morgan. I LIKED Morgan."

Heard from a mutual acquaintance later that she adopted (and gave away) several more dogs after Morgan, including a Dane and a doberman. I think she had serious problems. Last I heard, she was fostering instead of buying.

 

[YorkvilleNewfie]

And, regarding the rescue doing the right stuff, I later found out Morgan was the NINTH dog she had rescued and given away. She said "He scares my 3-year-old". I ran into her at a coffee shop about five years later and she asked about Morgan. Her little boy was with her, and she said to her son (about 7 at the time, or 8) "These people adopted Morgan! Do you remember Morgan? Our big black Newf? You were afraid of him!" Out of the mouths of babes, he said "I was never afraid of Morgan. I LIKED Morgan."

Heard from a mutual acquaintance later that she adopted (and gave away) several more dogs after Morgan, including a Dane and a doberman. I think she had serious problems. Last I heard, she was fostering instead of buying.

Sounds like my neighbors. They went through a Lab/Pit mix, an English Bulldog and a Pom within less than a year. Then they got a Great Dane who I haven't seen in a LOOOONG time. I'm guessing that they got rid of her too. Jerks.

 

[NewfieMama]

Sounds like my neighbors. They went through a Lab/Pit mix, an English Bulldog and a Pom within less than a year. Then they got a Great Dane who I haven't seen in a LOOOONG time. I'm guessing that they got rid of her too. Jerks.

I remember these people. They're not one of the foreclosures? :smashy:

IIRC the husband had himself in a twist that you had the biggest dog on the block.... :icon_lamer:

 

[Newfobsessed]

Unfortunately, the general public thinks AKC=quality dog.

Absolutely!