Bitches and fighting

Jorge's mum

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following on from the other thread I just wondered never having 2 bitches myself are they more likely to fight than males then? I noticed alot was said about them fighting, also it is advised not to keep 2 bitches together? I am not sure I would ever be brave enough to share a house with 2 as one is enough for us!lol but those who have 2 do they fight alot? I can imagine them to be more vicious than males actually! ;)
 

nowhavethreebears

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Maybe my girls are just exceptionally laid back, but Hannah and Sophie are BFFs, practically joined at the hip, and never squabble about anything.
It may be a whole other story with intact girls though, especially when they are in season....

Just wanted to add: Sophie is definitely the alpha of my two, but in a "here let me show you how" kind of way, not a dominating way.
 
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AngusMcDubhsMom

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I've been told that some will fight to the death while males tend to end things quickly. Gracie and a friend's bitch are both spayed,but they hate each other, esp. when a particular male is involved. For instance, the male was trying to mount Grace, she "told him off" and his female partner took offence and bit Gracie in the ear. She...the other girl... is normally a very social, friendly female, so I'd say there may be something to it, but maybe the circumstances and personalities dictate how they'll get along.
 

sarnewfie

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I have owned "females" sorry i still cannot bring myself to call my "girls" the B word:uglyhammer:

The only time i had an issue was with my Penny when someone else came into heat around the same time as she and she was in the prime stage to be bred. That is the only time and it is like in a wolf pack, she was letting the other girl know that she was top girl (it did not get far enough becouse i read her like a book) Anyway, my girls otherwise and the two i have now never fight ever and these two are intact.
I think the problem more is when dogs are intact and even more with 2 intact males being around intact girls. That to me would be a bigger issue with the 2 males fighting.
 

The Doctor

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My two girls are both fixed. May be why I haven't had any problems ??? Coda is a newf/lab mix, but is DEFINITELY the alpha. Juno outweighs her by 70#'s, but when Coda has had enough....she lets Juno know. A simple curl of the lip and Juno knows that "enough is enough".

That being said .... in the early 70's when I was a wee lad, we had an intact Siberian Husky and intact GSD. Both females. They got into it one night to the point my mom was screaming so bad and loud that the neighbor came over with a 12ga. because he thought that one of the dogs was attacking me. Talk about a crime scene. There was blood EVERYWHERE. Walls, ceiling, floor, mom ....... Dang, I can't remember where I keep my underwear, but I sure remember that night.
 

JackandKelly

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Lola and Sophie are both spayed and have been inseparable since the very first day they met. Never any issues or fights between them. They are just the sweetest most gentle girls.
 
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Ginny

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Intact bitches are far more likely to have problems and as Christine said, heat cycles and just after whelping are the most likely times. Knock on wood...never had a problem and I have 4. I have heard that a bitch fight is far more vicious than a dog fight. I've witnessed dog fights and they're about as vicious as I want to experience...
 

Windancer

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I have had intact females and males in my house at the same time....right now it is 2 and two.....however Simone is now spayed.....They are all getting along fine..They know Simone is 'boss girl'....Dozer does defend Macho..and thinks he is 'HIS" puppy, (although Macho towers over him at 14 mo) Dozer did whip up on my daughters Bassett when he growled at Macho...I find that when My kennel newfs scrap, there is very little injury....usually over food...and heat times are the worst.. I have never had two males get into it...and don't want to...I honestly keep a small cattle prod on hand JUST IN CASE there is a situation I cannot controll. I am just not strong enough any more to seperate to fighting newfs that are serious about it.....
 

johanand

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I have 3 intact female newfs, aged 2, 7 and 9 years, and they have never fought. Actually they have never shown any kind of aggression towards each other.
 

ardeagold

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I had a Golden girl, Lucy, who kept trying to control SOME of the other females (the ones younger than her that came here as puppies).

She'd mother/smother them and when they'd rebel, she'd get hostile and a fight would ensue. Most didn't like being pulled out of the water if they wanted to go for a swim. I guess she thought they might drown or something. She'd just get hysterical if she thought one of the girls might do something to "hurt" themselves, and treated them like babies, that she could drag away. They really objected to that when they were fully grown...and bigger than she was. Mira in particular. LOL

Fortunately she calmed down after the age of 4, and got along with everyone except Mira and Maggie who she ALWAYS tried to control. We just kept her away from them. She passed away last year at the age of 9.

The male fights are usually all about dominance...once one gives up, it's over. The female fights seem to be "fight to the death" or until someone steps in and stops it.
 
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Jorge's mum

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females sound scary when they fight! I guess they can be good together but if it goes wrong it goes REALLY wrong! I have never had a female newfy maybe the breed also matters?
 

kellycane

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females sound scary when they fight! I guess they can be good together but if it goes wrong it goes REALLY wrong! I have never had a female newfy maybe the breed also matters?
It is commonplace for mammals (who invest a lot of time and energy into their offspring as an evolutionary strategy) to have whichever sex cares for the young to be more protective and serious about fighting. (Some primates and other mammals actually have the male as the main caregiver, though usually it is the female, as in dogs.)

Males engage in what is called "display fighting." These fights are used to establish dominance without seriously injuring one another, lest the male population dwindle to zero! Males will skirmish to establish who is alpha and has territory and breeding rights. Females, on the other hand, only fight when they feel extremely threatened or protective of their young; generally, females do not engage in the same kind of competition for mates as males do (they have their pick) and therefore there is no need to establish strict hierarchies amongst each other. This is all of course generally speaking.

For what it's worth, I have a spayed female and she is the loveliest, sweetest dog you could ever imagine. She is friendly to every dog she meets, both male and female, and is a frequent dog park/dog beach visitor. Never had any issues! She is a love.
 

sendchocolate

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I also think it is important to remember the fight to bite ratio that Dr. Ian Dunbar talks about. Though a dog fight can look scary, often it really is just a tussle or warning. This happened to Poppy a while back. A bitch attacked her at the dog park, I posted about it. She is fine, just some bitches don't get along. She rubbed the older girl the wrong way, and the older girl gave her what for. There was a fight, but no damage, Poppy was taken by surprise and it scared her. They were big dogs could kill one another if they wanted to, figure since there was little blood they weren't serious...but I did stop it before it went too far.
 
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lilly06

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Noche and Lilly did just fine together. They were quite the buds.

I did foster one female (intact at the time)and she totally went after Noche. It was quite scary. It would have been a fight to the death.
 

BoundlessNewfs

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Maggie (spayed) and Lucy (intact) have been inseparable since they met. Lucy is alpha and Maggie is happy to be her buddy.

We brought home a female (intact) foster who came into heat within 2 days of Lucy once, and we had a few skirmishes, instigated by the foster...and quickly put down by Lucy who referees any issues within her domain.

Then we brought home Brenna (spayed adult rescue) who is a totally different cup of tea. VERY dominant/take no prisoners type personality. We tried for over three years to integrate her into the Maggie/Lucy pack. It worked for a while, then Brenna jumped Maggie with no warning. We broke it up, and put them both on notice, and kept a close watch on them if they were near each other.

Nothing happened for a while, so we thought that was it. Suddenly, Brenna jumped Maggie again, (again, without any grumbles or discernible change in posture, which would give warning) and this time she would not let go. This time, Maggie fought back as best she could, with Brenna having a death grip on her ear, cheek, and neck. Maggie chomped Brenna's foreleg in several places, putting big puncture wounds there. This seemed to be the turning point...at which they both declared war on the other.

After taking them separately to the vet, to get patched up, we kept them separated in the house, by giving Brenna our front room, with gates across the doorways. Brenna was still "part of the family" and could greet people as they came in the front door, but couldn't physically bother Maggie.

That worked, until one day when hubby had put Brenna up in our bedroom with the door closed. Maggie went upstairs, and upon finding the door to our room shut, she laid down against it. Unfortunately, the door popped open under her weight, and Brenna launched at her. Again, Brenna locked her jaws on the side of Maggie's neck, and just kept shaking and shaking her. I literally broke the wand of the Dyson over Brenna's head, to make her let go. That's all I could find to grab, so that's what I used. The jaws of life could not loosen her grip, but seeing "mom" swing the Dyson at her finally made her come to her senses and back off. I hated to do it, but Maggie has an arthritic neck and spine, and seeing Brenna shaking Mags like that just made me see red. After this, I was afraid to have Brenna on the same floor with the other two, for fear she'd hop the gate and go after one of them again.

Brenna is now the queen of our basement garage, and is hubby's buddy when he's working on cars (which he does in all of his free time). She is happy to rule the roost down there. Maggie and Lucy are much happier as a pair again, living upstairs. We just coordinate their inside/outside time, so that we never let Brenna out, if the other two are already in the yard. The one time that we accidentally let Brenna out, when the other two were out there, we were able to get Maggie in before they tangled much. Lucy totally held her own, and gave better than she got, because Brenna had several cuts on her neck, ears, and cheeks, where I didn't find more than a slight bruising on Lucy. I had been quite worried about that, because of Lucy's heart defect, but Lucy is quite quick and agile, in spite of her bad heart.

So, we have two females who adore each other, and one who doesn't like other dogs, but is quite happy having her own space, as long as she gets plenty of attention from her people.
 
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CMDRTED

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Been luck in that we've had a couple of squabbles, nothing serious, and it's over with a sparp "Knock it Off." The two minutes later there all laying together like nothing happened. They are mostly each others pals, and off the top of my head they've really only had 2-3 short lil squabbles in 5 years. I'm thinking not bad for the three.
 

Angela

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Just a word of advice................IF you are going to discuss female dogs as in bitch, please can you keep the dog theme only.
Female dogs are called bitches but that's as far as it should go, right?!
 

Jeannie

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Just a word of advice................IF you are going to discuss female dogs as in bitch, please can you keep the dog theme only.
Female dogs are called bitches but that's as far as it should go, right?!

I agree with Angela. Keep it DOG related.
 

Pipelineozzy

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I have..6 bitches, three males. All intact but one older female.
Normally..we have harmony among the bitches, but the males are never kept together.
Bitch fights here tend to be hormonally mediated...when they are coming in season..they get CRABBY with one another, territorial, stupid. It's often how I can tell someone is coming in season.
Bitch fights are NASTY. They tend to be out for blood when they fight. Usually someone is coming away from it with a hole in them somewhere when the bitches tangle. They are also contagious fights..so the first thing you do when they happen is get everyone else OUT Of the area so you do not have a gang war. MUlti dog fights are dangerous.
Male fights are noisy..but less likely to yield real injuries. They do lots of posturing and grabbing and holding..but not biting like bitches do. Sometimes..when males are fighting..if you remove their audience..they will just QUIT on their own. Get the other dogs far away..so they are not cheering..and often, it will be over. Not so with the bitches...and even after you break them up..they STAY mad!!! So often, if they have had a tussle..I will lock someone in a different part of the house for the rest of the day...and reintroduce them the following day. ONce cycles are passed, they are fine. And interestingly..two that had a scrap will sleep side by side the next day...with no issues. I have no clue why they occasionally get "mud in their eyes" when they are hormonal..but mine certainly do. (some of them, of course...are bitches that have HAD pups..and some are not. The ones who HAVE tend to be worse here than the maiden bitches.)
 
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