whatever happerned to tolerance

angie j

angie j

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This is such a great group! Even with our little family squabbles. Every now and then something happens to remind me of it.

I have recently become interested in Pigs. When I purchased my first Potbelly I immediately joined a Group to get informed, as I did here at N.N. when I was the new proud owner of my Beloved Lolly-pup.

Yesterday I was booted from the Group.

Most in the Toronto area will be aware of the commercial advertising the Royal Winter Fair; It stars a pig on a treadmill. Well, it came to the attention of some on my Pig site, that these, hand raised pigs, would probably go to auction and end up in a breeding facility, be bred like crazy and killed in about 4 years, so, they were looking for a home for them. I offered; Although, I said, Here, they would be bred once a year also, but lead free Range lifestyles in the meantime.

I promised they would not be used for meat, as our own Breeding Pigs will not be, they have been specially hand tamed, named, and some have their own pillows and toys (yeah, I hear you laughing)!

I was immediately kicked off the site for breeding pigs for consumption.

Whats that about. Do these people have no friends that eat pork. All they all vegans (which I respect, as they abstain from all meat and meat products: ie. milk, cheese, eggs.. for humanitarian reasons, usually). How can human relationships be tossed off with such distain based on a cultural difference. Geeez, know wonder theres so much war in the world when people can get bent out of shape so easily.

I am realy just venting, but, its always been a pet peeve of mine: Why cant people follow their own concience without judging others for doing the same. I appreciate this group for sustaining that ability (most of the time..lol). It feels good to be able to be ourselves, and not be ashamed of our diffrences.

angie J

[ 11-15-2007, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: angie J ]
 
darkwingnut

darkwingnut

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Angie,

I worked for 12 years in the hotel/restaurant field and saw all kinds of human behaviour (some amusing, some not).

I now work in the Estate/Trust department for a large Trust company dealing with, mainly, new estates. Again, I've seen all kinds of behaviour, some amusing, some not.

I agree with you that it would be nice for people to follow their own beliefs and ideals without judging or trying to persuade others to agree with them.

BUT, it ain't ever going to happen. I remember in school seeing a pyramid of human needs. Every person is at a different stage on the pyramid. Some folks are just worrying about putting food on the table, while others (without that worry) can worry about other things.

I can almost guarantee you that in a country where poverty is widespread, there are no PETA chapters, and probably no vegans, because simply having food is a luxury, it would be inconceivable to them to NOT eat something edible.

I guess my point is that the group has lost an individual who may have contributed valuable knowledge or insight. It is their loss.

YOU shouldn't let it bother you too much though.

Then you validate their idea that banning you was a punishment.


Now, why am I hungry for some bacon all of a sudden?
 
jane

jane

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I would'nt waste energy wondering...You did nothing wrong. Sounds like they ignored what you said and just assumed you would breed for consumption.
 
Windancer

Windancer

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..Angie...I know things like that hurt.. We have all experienced it.. Take The squirrels advice. (I would like to see the pyramid) Rock solid.
In truth, probably one individual with a real need for power/controll booted you, to the detriment of the rest of the group..too bad...their loss...By the way..what DOES happen to all those little pigletts you breed? Nothing cuter than new baby pigs. They immediately jump up and run everywhere...unlike puppies....Julie
 
ina/puusty

ina/puusty

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Not to worry over the being 'moved on out'..of the group. It does mean some few, or more..like the presumed power/status/ etc. that they believe..they have. I absolutely know..that..in the main..they will be very good people..but..they (some) have a deep hurt..somewhere from something..perhaps years ago..and they now need..to 'fill the empty spot'..with something else. An image of ..'power'..swings into view, like your comments/viewpoints..and they will pounce on it. If lucky..they will further mature..and grow out of the need. Some people..never do..because they cannot see themselves. Any chance there are other lil pig web sites out there?
ina n HB
 
luvxl k 9

luvxl k 9

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Good advice as usual guys, I'm betting Ina is right and there are several other forums out there that would be glad to have your expertise!! Don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch!! ;)
 
angie j

angie j

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I do understand the MOderators perspective...
She is deeply involved in Povine Rescue and to her it would be like one of us eating a Newf. It wasnt that I was booted that bothers me, cause, hey, we all sing a different tune and my harmony wasnt pleasant to her.... It was the way one person can be so easiy judged based on a small part of who they are that urks me. And that human relationships can be so easily severed. AND that I was trying to do a nice thing for those piggys!! Maybe thats what bothers me most...

And Julie, Jane... we DO eat the pigglets. They are for our own consumption, as well as some of my friends. At least they live a normal piggy lifestyle while they are with us (wow, that sounded weird to say).

Luvxl k9.... I joined for THEIR expertise .. so, ya, your all right... on the search for another piggy group, I guess.

Angie J

[ 11-15-2007, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: angie J ]
 
KS Newf

KS Newf

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If this group is so intolerant, there probably would have been something else later. You did nothing wrong, and the fact that your feelings were hurt shows that you are a sensitive human being. Try to forget it; they aren't worth your hurt feelings with this kind of rigid, judgemental attitude. I am sure there are many good people on that website, but apparently, they are not in control. I hope there is another website you can enjoy.
 
Murphy

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Easy to say don't let it bother you.. Cause it does. However, I agree with the others. they are the losers. Besides...you still got us and we luv ya !! LOL
 
Robyn

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Angie, there are always going to be people that think their way is the only way.....and, now with the internet, those people are able to find each other and congregate.

It is the same with any animal....I run into alot of people that frown on the fact that we work our dogs. They live in a barn and a pasture (gasp). They may have to fight off a coyote (gasp).

I remember getting into a huge argument with a woman who was so stunned that my dog killed a snake. I was proud of the dog for killing the copperhead and saving Keevin. The woman was shocked that I would allow my dog to be somewhere where he might get hurt.

And, it is the same with the goats...we have a commercial herd and they are raised for slaughter.....ewwww, you should hear some of the goat people trash me! lol And, even worse.........I sell some of my goats to muslims.

I am with the squirrel too, I like bacon!

Find another group, there are homesteader groups that would love to have you as a member and value your input!
 
Baloo

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That group doesn't seem to be very understanding. My two youngest daughters are vegetarians. My husband would eat meat morning, noon and night and doesn't care for pasta or stir fry. (dinners are real fun here). My kids 11 and 14 seem to show more tolerance than your group. They believe in choice. They don't condemn people who choose to eat meat. As a matter of fact, my youngest always said the hardest part of giving up meat was bacon. :D
 
TerriW

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It's Maslow's hierarchy of needs - a well-known scale of where we focus our needs based upon where we are in life. At the most fundamental it is about safety. And so on.

And I agree: today's children seem much more tolerant than other generations.
 
Blacknewfs

Blacknewfs

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Originally posted by angie J:

And Julie, Jane... we DO eat the pigglets. They are for our own consumption, as well as some of my friends. At least they live a normal piggy lifestyle while they are with us (wow, that sounded weird to say).
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As a vegetarian myself, all I can say is that if you must eat meat, then good for you raising your own in a humane environment rather than supporting the abuse that happens in large commercial facilities.

One of my dearest friends raises her own meat (cows and pigs) and also has cows and pigs as family pets that won't be consumed. While it makes me so sad when I go there and a cow or pig that I enjoyed visiting with is "gone", I totally respect her for the way she cares for her animals. At least I know that the animals she raises live a decent life compared to the torture animals in slaughter houses endure. (Oh, and Jim swears her steaks are way better than any from the butcher. And I'm glad he is eating meat that is free of chemicals!)

Having said all that, I do kind of "get" why people on the piggy board were upset though. It was a board for people who keep pigs as pets, right?
I can understand how some people would be upset that you would raise pigs to eat. I'm not sure you should have been booted from the forum though!

I'm sure everyone here would enjoy seeing more pics of your sweet little piggies!
 
Sheila

Sheila

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Awww Angie, I'm sorry that the group felt the need to boot you.

We've raised cows for consumption, when hubby brought home 2 baby cows all I could do was ooh and awe over them. I thought they were our "pets", he had other plans. I didn't even want to look at them for a while because I knew they weren't staying, but I did eventually come to terms with it. They lived happy lives with us until it was time to go and I was happier knowing where that meat came from when it came to dinner time. It took me a long time to want to eat the venison in the freezer as well, but I'm ok with that now too. I even hunted myself one year (not sure I'd do that again though).

I don't think you did anything "wrong", it's a personal choice as to what food we choose to consume and where we choose to get it from.


Don't let them get you down...to each their own I guess.
 
camel24j

camel24j

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my uncle got some calves and i got to bottle feed them but i also got to enjoy the meat sad because i love cows but also i love meat.

that's wrong that you got booted but they are the ones missing out on such a nice kind hearted person like you.
 
angie j

angie j

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Thanks all for the upbeat, and encouraging comments! I feel alot better now; I was having a Girly moment..lol.

And that was a perfect idea, Robyn, about joining a Homesteaders Group.

Angie J
 
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