Water Training Seminar

Prdmary

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So has anyone been to a seminar by Bettina and Annina Salmelin before?

Just wondering if what they cover in their seminar is helpful for us training toward the NCA tests.......since they are from Belgium?

If you had a working spot, did you get to do sufficient amount with your dog to feel it was beneficial?

Thanks!
 

Cascadians

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Hi, yes I've been to their water camp and loved it. Orka has blossomed and flourished since their intensive hands-on.

Whatever I asked for re NCA tests was taught thoroughly. I was more focused on real life training because I kayak and swim with Orka and need him to be able to rescue me for real if I ever get in trouble. But I intend to start NCA titling him this year so wanted some of that also.


Bettina and Annina Salmelin’s training is superb, with long lasting excellent results. The Salmelin sisters personalize and customize their approach specifically to the needs of each dog. They are able to assess and evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of a dog, what motivates the dog to cooperate and learn new commands and skills, and work with the dog with just the right amount of repetition and rest breaks to ensure the dog understands and masters new abilities.

The Salmelins also took into account the humanimal handler capabilities and trained me how to read my Newf Orka’s receptivity and advance through step by step skill components. This was invaluable. They are objective and can see, correct and encourage best handling and nitty gritty working with one’s waterdog.

Bettina and Annina are kind gentle and patient with the dogs. They have lilting musical voices, melodic praise, which Orka loves. They were never harsh with training and used positive reinforcement and playful joyous response. Orka knows they mean work and business yet he adores them. They are tenacious and their workshops felt like boot camp to me, chock full wealth of unique valuable knowledge, methods, approaches and techniques and an infinite number of hands-on exercises, reinforcements and broadening of growing aptitudes. This is serious physical exertion in and out of water.

I was thrilled that, after they left, Orka remembered everything they taught and was eager to repeat it. He flourished and blossomed from the training. He became alert to me in ways that rote exercises before had never produced. He became intuitive and eager to please, eager to figure out what I wanted of him. Before, he was prone to fits and tantrums; now, he begs for training. The transformation has been astonishing and I am eager to participate in the Salmelin training magic as much as possible for the incredible boost it gives both of us.

Bettina and Annina train with persistent discipline, relentless drilling but never punitive and always with a careful eye out for tiring, giving the dogs well placed rest and walk / sniff interludes. Their pace is quick and efficient training. They get the most out of every second. I could see echoes of the military component from some of Bettina’s amazing trainings with SICs. They keep the opportunities coming fast, keep the handlers alert and ready for the next gung ho dash into water or a new land exercise.

The dogs rest while the handlers listen and look at the next exercise, another team working, then up! Dogs watch and learn also while they're resting. The eager beaver excited young dogs are metaphorically coiled to spring back into the water. So interesting to see the enthusiasm and those instincts blossom. One of the aspects I enjoyed was watching new dogs learn skills so quickly, and be so proud of themselves. It was thrilling and moving.

I find Salmelin training beyond fantastic, so useful, clear, practical, varied, and sensible, with a foundation geared to real life waterwork and rescue. Their training has enabled me to kayak with Orka wherever I want and be safe. It gave us enough fodder for a lifetime of varied exercises and ways to train no matter what shore or type of water we wanted to try. It also gave me more confidence based on actual achievement. They helped me with all kinds of details and safety considerations and whatever specific development I asked for. And they did it kindly, with good humor, even though I am a newbie with major dork physical issues.

They THINK, they LOOK, they LISTEN, they figure out what the dog needs for learning and they teach the dog and the handler and drill it over and over, then vary it in increments. They are totally tuned into reality and real life problem solving -- nothing just rote but for real. B&A tuned into each Newf and developed his strong points and worked on the weak points. And they trained the handler. Like a relentless yet gentle boot camp. They were extremely helpful, schlepping gear all over the city, cleaning things up, watchful of anything that needed doing, totally kind and serviceful and professional. It was inspiring.

They evaluated my specific unusual requests, such as how to get a huge Newf back onto the kayak in the water, experimented with the kayak, figured out the only way to safely accomplish this necessary task, and taught Orka and I the steps we need to practice to get good at it. Bettina and Annina have the experience and skills to figure out things that have not been addressed by other trainings. They have traveled the globe attending workshops and trainings and using best methods for waterwork. Their expertise is a joy to behold. Now Orka and I know what to do, the progression of steps, and how to drill it. And if I have any questions I can make videos and email Bettina and she will answer.

Last summer’s workshop with Bettina and Annina Salmelin has been a fount of inspiration and exercises all year and I am most eager to do it again this summer.
 

Cascadians

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One thing I really liked about their training was the ample amount of time I got with them in the water with my Newf. If I had more stamina I could have done even more. I was sore and exhausted but exhilarated for weeks afterward.

Have spent all year since then exercising so I can do even more with them this summer. Will still need to be transported on a gurney after a week with them, but all so worth it.

Orka and I walk, trot, caninordicwalk, scooterjor, bike, skijor, hike, backpack, swim, water train, kayak, and do drafting, obedience and rally, will add tracking and conformation next fall and winter. We are very active.

But we're mewling babies compared to the Salmelins.

Planning to race them this summer ;^D
 

Cascadians

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Lynn took a lot of pix and videos of last summer's watercamps in Oregon. I hereby give Bettina 'permission' to post any of these. My picture hosting site went poof.

So many ppl ask what the difference between NCA water training and Bettina's is, think I'll write up a comparison. Of course it will be limited in scope because I'm a newbie and have not attended much of either. But I've stayed alert :) and water training is vitally important to me.
 

Capri

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You'll be able to get many more replies posting it on FB :). I think Leska's the only one that's also on NN.

Pretty much all water work exercises are universal. We don't work on specific exercises, but rather more on the key skills that you need to teach your dog, to be able to perform any exercise (or exercise series).
For example in the "abandoned boat", the key skills are:
-taking a line
-towing a boat
-looking for the rope
-coming all the way to the owner
-being confident enough to leave the owner to swim to the boat
-etc.

We could for example vary that exercise by:
-turning the boat to face different directions
-changing the rope to something else
-placing the rope at different positions (hanging from boat barely in water; stretched out far in from of boat, placed right close to the side of the boat)
-adding distractions in the boat or around the boat (other dogs, other equipment, other people etc.)
-varying distance between owner and boat
-jumping out of boat and looking for rope
-etc...

Of course we would read the dog and would not do all of these variations during the same training (unless the training was specifically focusing on only "abandoned boat"), but we would talk about the other variations that we didn't do, or do different variations between dogs that had different skill sets (aiming at a balance between what they know and what skills are new to them).


On an ordinary training camp day, we do anything between 14-20 exercises per dog, depending on the type of exercises you're wanting to perform. We usually have 4-6 dogs in a group, and train 2x 1.5h per group per day. I.e. trainings are limited to 10-12 dogs per day.

If there's anything specific that you want to train (or do not want to), we do take that into account. We have for example held half-day camps (in Finland) that just focus on "take away", and one that just focused on "jumping out of the boat". We train variety, which means that the dogs don't get bored during the trainings, even if we were to train one specific skill.
 

Ivoryudx

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While I could not go to the one last year hosted by SCNC, the feedback that I heard from experienced Water Training individuals was that the workshop was refreshing to work outside of the box. While some of the things covered may not be a part of the NCA Water Test, there are a lot of things covered that can help get you there, and to possibly problem solve with specific details.

Based on that input, I would recommend it to everyone. We should all be open to other ways of looking at things and sharing of information.
 

Joan Fisher

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Bettina, do you know where you will be giving training sessions in North America this summer? Any close to Ontario or northern New York state?
 

janices

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While I could not go to the one last year hosted by SCNC, the feedback that I heard from experienced Water Training individuals was that the workshop was refreshing to work outside of the box. While some of the things covered may not be a part of the NCA Water Test, there are a lot of things covered that can help get you there, and to possibly problem solve with specific details.

Based on that input, I would recommend it to everyone. We should all be open to other ways of looking at things and sharing of information.
My feelings exactly.
 

pecanpiepatti

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Here's what one of our organizers said in response to NCA Water Test training vs Bettina's training:

"Well, the point is learning HOW they train not WHAT they train......if they are training jumping, HOW are they doing it? If they training take a line out, HOW are they training it? These are behaviors that can be transferred to the test if that is the only goal a newf owner has!!! Personally, I believe a great trainer is someone to learn from regardless what they are teaching."

Which is why we're bringing 'em to Texas!!! Yee haw!!! (and sorry, we are full - auditing positions are open, PM me)

 

takemebacktotulsa

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I've found her book to be a great tool and hope we are lucky enough to snag a spot at one of her upcoming seminars. Would love to know where we should be making plans to road trip to this summer :)
 

Capri

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These are just provisional dates, please contact me if you want more information on any, or if you would like us to come to you for either a club organized workshop, or eg. private during a weekday trainings.

1-2.6 -> Fly to Seattle
2-7.6 -> San Juan Islands (holiday & sessions with Leska! (others are welcomed for any half-day/afternoon sessions we'll be doing there))
(7)-8-9.6 -> Either a club organized training weekend, or privately organized training days either in WA or OR (still have to hear from the club, but something is/will definitely be going on this weekend, unless we get a booking to go elsewhere exciting, but very most likely we'll stay in the area to hold a camp for last years' participants & others they've recruited ;) )
10-14.6-> Private water training sessions in around OR & "how to kayak with your dog"-courses (for non-newf people) [unless we get an exciting booking to go elsewhere during the week] (Note to those is OR/WA, waterwork trainings will definitely be happening in your area, don't worry. Either during the week (evenings), or the weekend, depending on where we end up going.)
(14-)15-16.6 -> Colorado water camp (club organized event)
17-18.6 (free? travel to TX)
19-20.6 -> Texas water camp (club organized event)
21.6 (rest!)
22-23.6 -> Texas water camp (club organized event)
24.6-> head back home

So a busy few weeks, but we hope to see as many of you there as possible & share all of what we know with you :). As said before, the TX camps are full (audits possible), the entries for the others have not been opened yet, but will be as soon as we have our plans confirmed (soon!).
 
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Cascadians

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For the Washington & Oregon State folks, we'll be at Orcas Island June 2 - 7 (-> 10 for me) and have close access to 2 incredible water training locations: Cascade Lake & Lagoon and Cascade Bay.

Notice my screen name, Cascadians, and Orka's name -- yes this is why.

The San Juan islands are paradise. If there is interest we can have some amazing group water and land trainings here. Fresh water, salt water, beaches, many miles of forest trails, huge state park, areas with current and without, areas with every possible type of distraction and without.

In the Portland area we'll be partnering with some exciting other disciplines that all feed into fun with Newfs! and will be open to all dog breeds. There will be a boating component, kayaks and whatever craft ppl have that they want to train their dog to be safe in, around, towing, rescuing. This includes families with kids and inflatable floating devices so ppl learn their dogs can be a watchful safety addition and everybody can have safe fun and even play some water games with their dog/s.

And because Newfs are born pullers, the joring component, dog-powered sports. In water training the dog pulls, in various combinations, boat, person, objects -- on land cart and wagon -- with joring the dog pulls a person walking, running, roller skating, scootering, biking, skiing sledding etc. In fact, ppl build all sorts of conveyances. This is fun for the dog and teaches directional commands that are useful for all disciplines. Once the dog learns the commands he can be hitched to other dogs to form teams. And this has practical daily use: you can walk a few miles per day with your dog with poles, caninordicwalking, and get a full body workout, happy dog, and still be following the leash law so parks and neighborhoods are wide open for enjoyment.

We will also have a hydrotherapy component and tracking as relates to water work -- the beginning concepts of having your dog able to help in flooding, both rescuing and locating something via smell in or on water.

But all of these classes will be scheduled after the most important events: Newf waterwork training.

So if you or your club is hoping for a great year on the water with renewed interest and enthusiasm, contact Bettina as soon as possible to get a spot in her 3 week schedule.

And for anybody in the world: if you want a memorable vacation, there are many affordable rooms / cottages / options in the San Juan Islands. You won't want to miss the amazing sights, sounds, waters, whale tours, and food in the San Juans. And Gulf Islands just north in Canada.

This is, many believe, the most beautiful location on earth.
 
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takemebacktotulsa

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What about adding another day in Texas on the 21st of June? We missed out on the other opportunities there and would love to grab a spot!
 

Capri

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What about adding another day in Texas on the 21st of June? We missed out on the other opportunities there and would love to grab a spot!
Oh, that's definitely a planned day of rest! Otherwise we won't be able to power through the weekend with still the same level of energy & excitement as the other two days :)! At least I can't physically or mentally do 5 days of waterwork from morning to evening (with a midday seminar) non-stop, especially that already being the third week of (almost daily!) waterwork trainings (and when not, travel) :)!

Training full days is a different situation to working several evenings back-to-back, like what we're planning for in OR at the start of the trip.
 

pecanpiepatti

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These are just provisional dates, please contact me if you want more information on any, or if you would like us to come to you for either a club organized workshop, or eg. private during a weekday trainings.
17-18.6 (free? travel to TX)
19-20.6 -> Texas water camp (club organized event)
21.6 (free!)
22-23.6 -> Texas water camp (club organized event)
24.6-> head back home
21.6 free? I thought we were taking y'all bull riding!!! :!rolling:
 
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