Teenage Newf??

HannahCB

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Well Noah is now 14motnths old and recently he has turned to an obnoxious teenager for example. Jumping up at me when i ask him to sit, Jumping all over me when he wants something i have this was a carton of orange juice when i was sat on the sofa which i would not let him have i had fallen over the day before and hurt my arm and i think he knew he was stronger so he had his front paws on my legs trying to reach it and when i stood up to move from him he jumped up and put his paws on the back of my shoulders. He's turned loopy!!! Are there anyways i can reassert my dominance?? i have started trainig for an extra 15mins a day but he will only do things for treats if no treats he normally wont listen anymore. HELP PLEASE
 

Ursa

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When I went through this with my greyhound I reinforced NILIF training. It didn't take long before he remembered who was the alpha dog at our house. Hopefully some experienced Newf folks will have more specific advice for you.
 

NessaM

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How much exercise is he getting daily? The hormones are a real pain in the tush, but if the boy is tired out, he'll be less likely to try bucking for a promotion in your household the way he's doing. You might need to up his exercise level. Here, it used to be enough to take Pooka for an hour-long walk in the morning. Now he needs a second walk at night or he's loopy before bed and we all suffer. He's not disobedient and Pooka never really tries to outmaneuver any of us in the pecking order, but he's CRAZY with energy.

As for the listening/not listening with/without treats...the hormones turn them into complete idiots - just like teenage humans. You can assume that it's not just willfulness (although he's certainly being a big brat...) but that his attention span is affected for the time being also, so it is not a bad idea to take training back a few steps - if he was previously performing like a dog ready to show for his CD, you might need to now treat him like a dog still TRAINING to show for his CD - take his training level down a few notches - go back to intermittent rewards, for example, and reinforced commands.

If these are commands that he KNOWS, and he's starting to ignore them, you need to change the way you are rewarding him. Go back to the training beginning, and train with treats for a bit, and then gradually wean him off treats the way you did when you were moving along in obedience training. Make rewards intermittent - dogs will work harder, and more consistently, for the possibility of a reward rather than the certainty. Don't give him a cookie for every correct response, so that he's never sure if he's going to get a reward or not...

If he's ignoring commands because there's no treat involved, he needs to be trained in a collar, on leash, and the commands should be ones you can enforce - like "come," or "sit," by physically requiring the activity. He should not have the option of refusing to obey you at this point. Praise increases exponentially if he does it of his own accord, of course, and you can choose to give a treat or not depending on how well he behaved, how quickly he listened etc or you can make the reward a random numerical - you reward him every prime number during a training session or similar. (Reward the second sit, and the third, and the fifth, seventh, etc.) He just shouldn't be able to anticipate WHEN he will be rewarded because not knowing will make him work harder.

And yes, I'd go back to NILIF.
 

BoundlessNewfs

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Fit that boy with a prong collar and do some obedience work with him wearing it. Here's a link to the proper fitting of the collar:
http://leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm

Give him absolutely NOTHING, no petting, no treats, no dinner, not ANYthing, unless you invite him to have it, and then make him perform some commands to receive it. For example, our girls have to do a long down/stay and not get up, while I make their food, then they go sit in their own spots while I put their dishes down (telling them "wait"), then when they all have their dishes, I ask "are you looking?" and when they all are, I say "OK" and let them eat. If any of them tries to eat before the OK, they all have to wait and look again.

Do not allow him to beg, hang over you, push past you, bark at you, or in any way behave sassy toward you. Every time he misbehaves, put him in a down/stay. If he won't go down, step on the leash to shorten it and anchor it to the ground, until he goes down...then tell him to stay. Continue to stand on the leash, if necessary, until he realizes that you're not messing around, and that you aim to enforce what you command.

It IS just like having a teenager. He will test you at every chance, and you have to remain calm, but firm. Develop a good "mom means it" tone of voice, and use that only when he's being bratty.

On the other hand, positive reinforcement works much better than negative...so be looking for the desired behavior, and make a fuss over him when he's doing what you'd expect ,without having asked for it. Repeat what he did right, for example, he sat to wait for something and you hadn't asked him to yet...say "Oh...Gooooood Sit!" and love on him for it.
 
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lola

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When Mack used to get loopy, i'd put him in his crate for a minute or two and ignore him until he calmed down, then i'd let him back out and repeated that if I needed to, it worked quite well. Now I just tell him to calm down and he will, but it is a good idea to get him tired out as Nessa said. A tired newf is a carpet Newf (or at least a lumpy carpet..)
 

jill

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My Daisy went through the same stunts, but her litter mate Dixie did not. i was advised daily to get outside and wrestle with them, making sure that Daisy ended up on her back(submissive position). This reaffirmed that I was the dominant animal here, and it worked. We still have to have a wrestle every now and then!!!
 

ardeagold

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Cole gets TONS of exercise daily....training daily....grooming at least every other day, and he's still a brat. He's almost 18 mos old (on the 21st) and pushes every button he can think of to get his way. I DEMAND that he listens, but it's a struggle of wills right now.

He's the same with treats that you described. "I'm not doing it if there's nothing in it for ME". GRRRRRRRRR........... My response is "Oh yes you are" and out comes the leash and pinch collar.

I don't do alpha rolls. I don't believe in them. But I do let him know I expect him to listen. THEN he gets a treat and some affection.

I'm firm, not angry or hostile.

This will pass, and he's SO good out in public, that I know he has potential to be just as good at home. His hormones are raging, so I know his brain isn't working properly right now. :lol:
 

Ursa

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ok i feel dumb but what does NILIF training mean?

NILIF means "nothing in life is free". There's a ton of good info out there on how to implement NILIF training. At it's most basic it means that your dog must work for every single good thing that comes his/her way.
 

Brody the Newf

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Brody is 2.5 years old, he's fixed and he's still a brat.

If I don't want Brody doing something, the best thing I can do is distract him. If I try and force him to behave, I only make matters worse. I've learned the hard way that Brody loves negative attention. Scolding him or giving his head a shake rewards him more than a cookie.

I've heard there are Newfs that care about pleasing their people but Brody isn't one of them:)
 

zennewf

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I would echo those that recommended a pinch collar. I wished i had used them for my previous generation of newfs, but I now do with Winston (24 month old) and it is amazing. I find just putting the prong collar on induces a submissive, focused, calm state in him.

I rarely have to use it, but when he drifts into bratiness, I put it on for a couple of hours with a short (six inch) tab, and train with him while I am with the kids in the house.

I tolerate a lot less obnoxious behavior than it sounds you do. I've got two very young kids and I can't have any roughness like what you are describing. I personally would get on top of that behavior immediately. It's too dangerous to have a newf who tackles you from behind.

The sort of bratiness I work with is on the level of Winston being pushy when I petting Millie, or being slow to back away when I'm making food in the kitchen, or with just a his general "me first mom!" attitude. It's cute, but I've got to emphasize he comes AFTER my kids in terms of affection, spot close to mom, etc.

So I'd agree with Boundless newfs and Ardeagold that a prong is the way to go. Don't worry, it's very humane. It's far gentler than a slip collar, and I would argue gentler than a gentle leader -- which I found always irritated my newfies faces, particularily their eyes.

HTH. Don't worry, it won't be so hard to get him to calm down and you've gotten great advice from PP's on how exactly to do that.

Liz

PS. Winston's behavior, as Nessa mentioned regarding Pooka, is so much calmer when he's had his daily walk and wrestle at the dog park. Even missing just one day and he gets kinda rambunctious ... I can't blame him. Who wants to be stuck in the house all day????
 

Ohana Mom

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I agree with many of the above. Every moment with him right now is a training moment. Remember, you have the opportunity to remind him YOU are in charge all of the time - not just when you are training. Be sure you walk through doorways first, he sits before going outside, he lays down before eating etc.... When he does these things - praise him like crazy. Alpha roles also did not work for us. And be sure to put him to work. If you can't take him for a walk (weather, time etc) then put a leash and prong collar on him and run him through his paces in the living room. Sit, down, stay etc - do them fast and slow - try to mess him up. This will get his MIND working and he has to focus on you. It's amazing how tired they become from mental work as well as physical work.

Those of us with intact males have all been there - and believe me ages 9-19 months was TOUGH. And then - it truly gets better. But age and hormones are still excuses - he knows what to do - he's just trying to be in charge. Be strong - you're half way there and you recognize all of the signs.
 

R Taft

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ok i feel dumb but what does NILIF training mean?
Don't feel dumb, I had no idea and was going to ask the same question :lol:

I have since looked it up and it is the similar to the training methods i have been around. Just didn't recognize the abbreviation.
 
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