Spay prior to first heat?

Tula

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Our breeder contract prohibits spaying before one year. We are trying to decide if we should wait until she has her first heat.

I mentioned to our vet that i'd read documentation of waiting till after the first heat. He would like documentation.

if it is available, I will print and send to him. Regards, Kim
 

marylouz

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There is a good summary here:
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/longtermhealtheffectsofspayneuterindogs.pdf

Some other studies:
Here are some studies:

Endogenous Gonadal Hormone Exposure and Bone Sarcoma Risk1
• Dawn M. Cooley,
• Benjamin C. Beranek,
• Deborah L. Schlittler,
• Nita W. Glickman,
• Lawrence T. Glickman, and
• David J. Waters2

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/11/11/1434.full

Early neutering may also increases risk of urethral sphincter incontinence in males (A. Aaron et al., Vet Rec. 139:542-6, 1996.)
Both neutered males and females have a 2-fold greater risk for developing bone tumors (osteosarcoma) compared to intact males and females (Ru et al., Vet J. 156:31-9, 1998.)
Some evidence suggests that there is a correlation between increased time for growth plate closure and incidence of HD in Labs (Todhunter et al. J. Am. Vet Assoc., 1997)
In addition, a study in 2004 in JAVMA (Spain et al. JAVMA 2004;224:380-387) showed that dogs spayed or neutered before 5 1/2 months had a significantly higher incidence of hip dysplasia than dogs spayed or neutered after 5 1/2 months of age.

There are a number of studies that suggest that those of us with canine athletes should be carefully considering our current recommendations to spay or neuter all dogs at 6 months of age or earlier. A study by Salmeri et al in 1991 (Salmeri et al JAVMA 1991;198:1193-1203) found that bitches spayed at 7 weeks were significantly taller than those spayed at 7 months, and that those spayed at at 7 months had significantly delayed closure of the growth plates than those not spayed (or presumably spayed after the growth plates had closed). The sex hormones close the growth plates, so the bones of dogs or bitches neutered or spayed before puberty continue to grow. This growth frequently results in a dog that does not have the same body proportions as he/she was genetically meant to. For example, if the femur is normal length at 8 months when a dog gets spayed or neutered, but the tibia, which normally stops growing at 12 to 14 months of age continues to grow, then an abnormal angle may develop at the stifle. In addition, with the extra growth, the lower leg below the stifle becomes heavier (because it is longer), causing increased stresses on the cranial cruciate ligament. This is confirmed by a recent study showing that spayed and neutered dogs have a higher incidence of CCL rupture (Slauterbeck JR, Pankratz K, Xu KT, Bozeman SC, Hardy DM. Canine ovariohysterectomy and orchiectomy increases the prevalence of ACL injury. Clin Orthop Relat Res. 2004 Dec;(429):301-5).
 

blaue_augen

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I gave a bunch of print outs to our vet that our breeder had given us. And the vet fluffed them off as being quite old studies. Mary Lou the Salmeri study is 20 years old. We are waiting to spay, but I would think either the older studies would be well accepted by now or new ones would have come out? It makes sense in my mind to wait simply for the growth plates reason even without other studies.
 

ardeagold

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I gave a bunch of print outs to our vet that our breeder had given us. And the vet fluffed them off as being quite old studies. Mary Lou the Salmeri study is 20 years old. We are waiting to spay, but I would think either the older studies would be well accepted by now or new ones would have come out? It makes sense in my mind to wait simply for the growth plates reason even without other studies.
I'd have said "Well, if you have newer studies, could you please show them to me?"

If there isn't anything to counter the previous studies...then the results stand, until someone can prove otherwise, right? :)
 

Tula

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We have four vets at my practice - three of whom trained trained at Ohio State. I spoke with the one I want to do the spay / pexy on Piper and he is open to good information. I think he is looking for current information. He cites the risk of mammary cancer. I will print these off and sent to him. Thanks - and I would also appreciate any other info. Kim
 

BoundlessNewfs

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Your vet can give you advise, but it is ultimately your decision. If your breeder says to wait, and it's in your contract to wait, then I would say "wait". No other decision to be made.

Is a heat cycle a messy pain to deal with? Yes. Is three weeks of it worth the health of your dog? Yes. Do you have to be extra vigilant when taking your girl out to potty, to be sure there aren't males lurking outside? Yes. Don't let your vet scare you with the "mammary tumor" thing. They all say that. I'd be much more worried about the other cancers that seem to crop up in the dogs "fixed" too soon.
 

marylouz

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Most of the recent scientific work surrounding juvenile spay/neuter has been sponsored and paid for by the AR/AW world - UCDavis School of Shelter MEdicine, etc. and the studies are strictly focussing on the initial surgical impact of sterilization. Since the vast majority of their study animals are shelter kittens and puppies and their goal is to decrease pet overpopulation by increasing compliance with spay/neuter - sterilization prior to adoption is paramount and kittens and puppies stop being so cute after 10-12 weeks or so- they want to get those surgeries done then and they want the public to know they are not being barbaric by operating on a baby. That being said- these are not purebreds with any reference to a breed standard of what they should look like when they grow up, and there is no long term follow up from the shelter once the pet has been adopted to see if they are getting cancer at age 3 or 4 or 7.

I ask my puppy buyers to wait until growth plates close before sterilizing and have only had one vet question that and I sent him the above studies and he was fine with waiting.

If I had a vet who would not value my opinion, even when backed by studies that in the last 20 years have not been refuted, then I would be shopping for another vet.
 

guysndolls

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Considering what I consider to be a shocking number of Newfs being reported with osteosarcoma in the current health survey, I would be wary of anything that is proven to increase the chances of that deadly disease.
 

Ivoryudx

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There is a risk for Mammary Cancer (see below) however, the other risks far out weigh this.

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www.marvistavet.com

"A female puppy spayed before her first heat cycle can expect never to develop a mammary tumor of any kind. The incidence of tumor development in this group is nearly zero.

If she is allowed to experience one heat cycle before spaying, the incidence rises to 7% (still quite low).

If she is allowed to experience more than one heat cycle, the risk is driven up to one in four."
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Osteosarcoma:

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http://www.akcchf.org/news-events/library/articles/rottweilerupdate0410.pdf

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http://www.akcchf.org/research/funded-research/1488.html

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Other risks associated with spay/neuter

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http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html

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Determining the optimal age for gonadectomy of dogs and cats
Margaret V. Root Kustritz
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association Dec 2007, Vol. 231, No. 11, Pages 1665-1675: 1665-1675.

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/pdfplus/10.2460/javma.231.11.1665

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http://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/your-dogs-health/determining-the-best-age-at.html

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http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/mar10/100301g.asp

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CMDRTED

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I ask my puppy buyers to wait until growth plates close before sterilizing and have only had one vet question that and I sent him the above studies and he was fine with waiting.

If I had a vet who would not value my opinion, even when backed by studies that in the last 20 years have not been refuted, then I would be shopping for another vet.
Yup, my vet is my partner. He is thrilled when I find a study he hasn't seen when it pertains to our guys. He has said on many occaisons, to keep-em comming. I sent him the power point from the NCA on Laryngial-Paralysis (SP) and every one in the office had to watch it, even the techs. All the DVM's were happy to watch it, as they all learned something.

I would have a talk with the Vet. I would explain to him, that treatment of your pet's is a partnership, and you have the final treatment say-so. If he's not good with that, I would consider looking for a new Vet. JMHO.

I have noticed that some older Vets get nervous when the Mom and Dad of a Pet know a lot about his business, they tend to be my way or the Highway types.
 
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Tula

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Thanks Susan. I'm printing this off for my my vet.....I knew I could could count on you for good facts:) Kim
 
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