Should we.....

NZNEWF

New member
Okie dokie.....

A play mate for sadie ?
Head says : wait for the baby
Heart says: GO FOR IT..... ive never followed my head and ive done ok

what breed ?
hell as long as its another big dog
its all good... Newfie, Saint, Bernes mtn Dog, Leonberger.

in saying that maybe sadie will be so involved with the baby she wont miss any attn....
 

Henrys Mom

New member
Agreed! You asked for opinions and you got them. Your remark was uncalled for. Blacknewfs is a Saint for all she has done for rescue. She was not mean to you at all in her response, just honest and yours was just plain rude. Hope you find what you are looking for in a puppy and breeder. I would never add a puppy and a baby to the house at the same time, but that's just because I don't do well with no sleep!! I feel that both require your undivided attention. Good luck!



You may be interested in knowing that many dogs surrendered to rescue come from families that introduced pups into their home at the same time as a baby. When they don't have time for both the pup gets the boot. Rescue see's this all the time which is why Blacknewfs responded you your post.

You have been given good advise and no matter what your reasons were to ask the question, your response to Blacknewfs is totally inappropriate. If you had any idea of the immeasurable sacrifices she has made for our beloved rescues, you would apologize for your remarks.
 

BlackLightning

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I don't think you understood what Blacknewfs meant about the rescue and not accepting your application. It would apply to a reputable breeder as well, NOT just a rescue. I would think a reputable breeder would also question your timing on this and consider not placing one of their puppies into your household not out of a lack of love, etc as you point out, but just because the timing is off. I think it is good that you have decided to wait.
 

rhoward

Member
You may be interested in knowing that many dogs surrendered to rescue come from families that introduced pups into their home at the same time as a baby. When they don't have time for both the pup gets the boot. Rescue see's this all the time which is why Blacknewfs responded you your post.

You have been given good advise and no matter what your reasons were to ask the question, your response to Blacknewfs is totally inappropriate. If you had any idea of the immeasurable sacrifices she has made for our beloved rescues, you would apologize for your remarks.
I suppose that is the problem.... I don't know anything about her sacrifices made for any beloved rescues. I am not in tune with that side of life. I give to charities but don't condemn anyone for not understanding them of my relations to such charities. One of the problems, IMHO, is that forums mistakenly assume everyone is on the same page when it come to knowledge.
 

rhoward

Member
You may be interested in knowing that many dogs surrendered to rescue come from families that introduced pups into their home at the same time as a baby. When they don't have time for both the pup gets the boot. Rescue see's this all the time which is why Blacknewfs responded you your post.

You have been given good advise and no matter what your reasons were to ask the question, your response to Blacknewfs is totally inappropriate. If you had any idea of the immeasurable sacrifices she has made for our beloved rescues, you would apologize for your remarks.
One last thing to your statement. Rosa became pregnant two weeks after we took Sadie home at 8 weeks old. She was our first time pet. We knew very little about what we were about to get in to. That is the reasons I joined this forum... for help. Rosa lost that baby. It was devastating. We still took care of each other, the children, and Sadie without a hiccup. Some of you already know this. So, time management was not the deciding factor in this for me. It was more about what would make a great companion for Sadie. I'm done.
 

rhoward

Member
I don't think you understood what Blacknewfs meant about the rescue and not accepting your application. It would apply to a reputable breeder as well, NOT just a rescue. I would think a reputable breeder would also question your timing on this and consider not placing one of their puppies into your household not out of a lack of love, etc as you point out, but just because the timing is off. I think it is good that you have decided to wait.
I can see your point. Perhaps if it were worded differently as a general rule, and not as "I would not accept your appllication". I don't read everyone's bio or vistit everyone's webpage. Again, it must be implied that I have already done so or others wouldn't be so offended and stick up for her. Nevertheless, the cost of an apology is a bit more than the cost of stubborness but I can swing it. Therefore, I do apologize to Blacknewf for being harsh.

I was recently contacted by a breeder who thought the idea of adding a beautiful Landseer to the mix in December or January was great. Does this make that breeder bad? Should my future breeder screenings be conducted based on onions of this forum? If so, where do I begin in finding one that has the Newfie's interest at heart? Is there a particular breeder that many of this forum has or would use? This would help me a lot. Thanks.
 

Murphy

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I suppose that is the problem.... I don't know anything about her sacrifices made for any beloved rescues. I am not in tune with that side of life. I give to charities but don't condemn anyone for not understanding them of my relations to such charities. One of the problems, IMHO, is that forums mistakenly assume everyone is on the same page when it come to knowledge.
Most of the posters on this board consider ourselves a family of sorts. A family who share our lives as they relate to our dogs. We laugh over our furkids triumphs, have fun with their silly stories, oooh and awww over pics of their cuteness as pups and beauty as they grow.... worship the dignified seniors... and band together to share the heartbreaks.

If as you say you don't know anything about Blacknewfs sacrifices (you would be the only one here by the way who doesn't), as it is because you are not in tune with that side of life, then clearly it is not important enough for you to take the time to do so.
 

lisaperp

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Sheesh, here we go again. As for the topic...


With the baby arriving in October, my school, the kid's school and life in general, I was thinking it might be a good idea to add one more to the mix and call it a day.

What say you?

I vote research breeders and shoot for getting a pup when the baby is at least 6 months old or older. By then you'll have an idea of the baby's needs, your furry baby will be adjusted to the new family life, and I think you'll get a better idea if a new pup will fit in with the new family dynamic.


I have two little kids and I'm glad I did not have a puppy to take care of when either of them was first born. There's the puppy's needs to consider but also the human baby. If you have a super needy baby (I did, oh the crying!) then your wife may be especially happy that you can give her and the child some extra attention. Having a baby is just a huge transition, easier for some than others.
 

YorkvilleNewfie

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Sheesh, here we go again. As for the topic...





I vote research breeders and shoot for getting a pup when the baby is at least 6 months old or older. By then you'll have an idea of the baby's needs, your furry baby will be adjusted to the new family life, and I think you'll get a better idea if a new pup will fit in with the new family dynamic.


I have two little kids and I'm glad I did not have a puppy to take care of when either of them was first born. There's the puppy's needs to consider but also the human baby. If you have a super needy baby (I did, oh the crying!) then your wife may be especially happy that you can give her and the child some extra attention. Having a baby is just a huge transition, easier for some than others.
Excellent post!
 

padkins

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Life never goes exactly as planned . . . Murphy's law. You might have an easy baby or you might have a demanding baby with problems. Same with a puppy. You might have an easy puppy or you might have a demanding puppy with problems. Not to mention Sadie. How will she adapt to the new baby? How will she adapt to a new puppy? Sometimes things don't always go smoothly, so I would take my time on making decisions and make sure that you can handle anything that might happen. I think that this is a decision that only you and Rosa can make. Good luck. :beer:
 

rayt

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Life never goes exactly as planned . . . Murphy's law. You might have an easy baby or you might have a demanding baby with problems. Same with a puppy. You might have an easy puppy or you might have a demanding puppy with problems. Not to mention Sadie. How will she adapt to the new baby? How will she adapt to a new puppy? Sometimes things don't always go smoothly, so I would take my time on making decisions and make sure that you can handle anything that might happen. I think that this is a decision that only you and Rosa can make. Good luck. :beer:
Great advice.
 

NKlein

Member
Both of our breeders asked if my husband and I were planning to have kids in the next year or two. I think most reputable breeders realize that newborns require ALL of your time and that isn't really fair to the puppy.

I was terrified of having a baby and a puppy at the same time. When my husband and I got Bo, our second newf, we decided we'd put off having a baby for two more years (at least). Think about the logistics: crate training with a newborn in the house? As soon as the puppy started yelping, you'd have a crying, hungry baby on your hands? And all the classes--not just puppy class, but obedience classes. You and your husband would constantly have to be juggling newborn care with puppy classes.

I would defnitely wait--we have two newfs (youngest will be 3 this year) and I'm STILL worried about introducing a baby into the mix! :)
 

new_2_newf

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Although you may not have liked how it came about, I think you have gotten some really solid advice here. Advice that has the best interest of your family, Sadie, and any new fur-babies at heart. There are some unknowns in your future.

I hope beyond hope that when your baby arrives he/she is nothing but perfectly healthy and that your wife is gifted with the world's easiest birth experience EVER. But, sometimes that doesn't happen. Sometimes new mom's have complications that render them the newborns milk jug and precious little else for the first few months of the babies life, etc. Think of your family dealing with your wife recovering from an emergency c-section with a fussy baby that is having trouble feeding (not at all uncommon). Now imagine having to meet the demands of even the most awesomely behaved puppy in the world under that sort of stress. I'm not saying it cannot be done, but I'd suspect it would be rather hellish. And I would not wish that on you or your wife.

All in all, if you want to round out your family, you will. I would also recommend waiting a bit after the baby is born, give yourselves a chance to adjust to the new normal that life will be with the baby. After that, however long it may be, get your puppy.

You gravitated towards a newf the first time for a reason. I would consider a second for the same reasons, but the type of dog really doesn't matter. I wouldn't put a toy out to play with a newf I guess, but the next breed you go with should fit with your family well in regards to temperament, activity level, maintenance level and cost of care (we all know kidlets are freaking expensive, so it would be a consideration for most families I would imagine). In general newfs get along with just about every breed of dog on the face of the planet. I'd be more concerned about matching another dog (even another newf) to the temperament and personality of the one you already have. I'd also keep in mind that your newfie is a baby and likely has no idea her own size or strength...that would lead me towards a larger sized dog, but they certainly can be taught to play nicely with small dogs. Sulley is quite respectful of small dogs and it wasn't me that taught him that, but a few well placed nips from smaller dogs that did not appreciate being run over.
 

YorkvilleNewfie

New member
Although you may not have liked how it came about, I think you have gotten some really solid advice here. Advice that has the best interest of your family, Sadie, and any new fur-babies at heart. There are some unknowns in your future.

I hope beyond hope that when your baby arrives he/she is nothing but perfectly healthy and that your wife is gifted with the world's easiest birth experience EVER. But, sometimes that doesn't happen. Sometimes new mom's have complications that render them the newborns milk jug and precious little else for the first few months of the babies life, etc. Think of your family dealing with your wife recovering from an emergency c-section with a fussy baby that is having trouble feeding (not at all uncommon). Now imagine having to meet the demands of even the most awesomely behaved puppy in the world under that sort of stress. I'm not saying it cannot be done, but I'd suspect it would be rather hellish. And I would not wish that on you or your wife.

All in all, if you want to round out your family, you will. I would also recommend waiting a bit after the baby is born, give yourselves a chance to adjust to the new normal that life will be with the baby. After that, however long it may be, get your puppy.

You gravitated towards a newf the first time for a reason. I would consider a second for the same reasons, but the type of dog really doesn't matter. I wouldn't put a toy out to play with a newf I guess, but the next breed you go with should fit with your family well in regards to temperament, activity level, maintenance level and cost of care (we all know kidlets are freaking expensive, so it would be a consideration for most families I would imagine). In general newfs get along with just about every breed of dog on the face of the planet. I'd be more concerned about matching another dog (even another newf) to the temperament and personality of the one you already have. I'd also keep in mind that your newfie is a baby and likely has no idea her own size or strength...that would lead me towards a larger sized dog, but they certainly can be taught to play nicely with small dogs. Sulley is quite respectful of small dogs and it wasn't me that taught him that, but a few well placed nips from smaller dogs that did not appreciate being run over.
You need to post more often...such a well thought out, intelligent and dispassionate post!
 

new_2_newf

New member
You need to post more often...such a well thought out, intelligent and dispassionate post!
Thanks :) I had to take a break from NN for a little while, but I do cruse through every once in a while and catch up on what is going on. To be honest, the comment about Sandra irked me considerably, she regularly performs simply amazing feats for our beloved bears and is a stellar person all around. So, I felt the need to post a rebuttal in the most helpful way I knew how.
 
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