Question about bloat and feeding

Newfie in Oz

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I'm confused about the issue of the raised food bowl during feeding vs feeding the dog from a bowl placed on the floor in regards to preventing/contributing to dogs developing bloat? Now I've read arguments for both sides and I'm confused, which is better, why and what do you all do?

Thanks,

Glen
 

nikkimd7

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I personally use the raised bowl feeders, more for comfort(easier for them to reach with out having to lean down sum) for the dog then the reason of bloat.....lets face it in the wild dog's can't raise there food!!LOL..but we as pet owners can make it a little easier on them by raising there dishes.
 

Ginny

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You see stuff about the pros and cons of each approach all the time. I feed mine in raised feeders. Some teach their dogs to eat lying down. Some believe in no exercise before or after eating. I think the main thing is to feed a good quality kibble which doesn't swell tremendously when left in water. Look at your dog. Mine just look tons more comfortable when eating from the raised bowls.
 

amyk

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Eloise eats very fast, and my breeder suggested that I make her lay down while she eats in order to help to slow her down. So that's what we do here!
 

wrknnwf

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No raised bowls here. This is one of the biggest controversies today. There are studies that go either way. I believe it is personal choice. I know dogs that have bloated using either so I don't think there are any guarantees.

Your best bet is to keep them eating slowly and to limit activity right after a meal. Don't feed gas producing foods or foods that swell excessively. Feed two or three meals a day as opposed to one. Never free feed.

Even doing those things aren't a guarantee but it sure won't hurt.
 

Leslie

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I have dogs that WON'T eat from raised bowls. They take everything out and put it on the floor. Since we feed raw, eeuuuwww. I used to freak out because bloat is my biggest fear but now, I admit I've lost that battle.
 

ArrowNewf

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The last 3 dogs that have bloated have all bloated on empty stomachs (only 1 survived), a good 8 hours after they had their last meals. I really doubt that where their bowl was that made the difference. The 2 that didn't survive were 7 and 9 years, the most recent was just 3 years, and was noticed as he was being fed breakfast.

Between my friend and I, we've had 5 dogs bloat over the last 15 years, 3 have died (either from severe bloat, during the surgery, or 3 days after surgery) and 2 have survived. The two that survived were young, and on empty stomachs. Go figure, all the concern we put in having soaked food, dry food, raised food...etc. Pretty much had nothing to do with it...

Wheatley

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RhodyNewf

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I feed mine in crates, Morgan is a VERY slow eater, by nature and eats laying down. Gidget inhales her food, so I have been working with her to slow her down...not an easy task.

Is there as much concern about bloat for raw fed dogs??

Bloat is absolutely my biggest fear as well.

[ 03-07-2007, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: RhodyNewf ]
 

TerriW

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Raised bowls here BUT Ben drops his food on the floor and eats much of it from there.

Test your kibble - put a cup in a big bowl and add a cup or two of water, then wait an hour. See what happens to it. Now imagine your dog eating it and drinking freely afterwards.

That experiment taught me to feed 2 or 3 smaller meals.

I've never heard of bloat on an empty stomach. Interesting.
 

ArrowNewf

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I meant to add, that all 5 dogs that have bloated between my friend and I (over the last 15 years...lots of dogs that haven't bloated..) have all been on empty stomachs. Go figure....

Wheatley
 
Originally posted by RhodyNewf:

Bloat is absolutely my biggest fear as well.
After reading more and more about it here, I have to begun to have big fears too, and if I will reconize it if it should happen.

[ 03-07-2007, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: Leonard and his bud, Snuffles ]
 

Newfie in Oz

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The thing is that almost all of the actual scientific material I've found on the subject appears to suggest at least some correlation between raised feeders and bloat. While another study found that 60% of the dogs that developed bloat in their study did so on relatively empty stomachs, not after eating, drinking or exercise but mid too late evening while resting! Confusing…
 

selah

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We have raised bowls. Never knew there was any proposed link to bloat... The raised bowls just keep Brutus from pushing his water bowl around and spilling it. Plus, he seems to drop less on the floor.
 

Newfie in Oz

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Here's what one study had to offer...

Canine Gastric Dilatation-Volvulus (Bloat)

School of Veterinary Medicine
Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907-1243

Non-dietary risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus in large and giant breed dogs

Lawrence T. Glickman, VMD, DrPH; Nita W. Glickman, MS, MPH; Diana B. Schellenberg, MS;
Malathi Raghavan, DVM, MS; Tana Lee, BA

Summary of findings (references 1 & 2) -A 5-year prospective study was conducted to determine the incidence and non-dietary risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus (GDV) in 11 large- and giant-breed dogs and to assess current recommendations to prevent GDV. During the study, 21 (2.4%) and 20 (2.7%) of the large and giant breed dogs, respectively, had at least 1 episode of GDV per year of observation and 29.6% of these dogs died. Increasing age, increasing thorax depth/width ratio, having a first degree relative with a history of GDV, a faster speed of eating, and using a raised feed bowl, were associated with an increased incidence of GDV. Table 1 summarizes the magnitude and direction of GDV risk associated with having each of these factors. The relative risk (RR) indicates the likelihood of developing the disease in the exposed group (risk factor present) relative to those who are not exposed (risk factor absent). For example, a dog with a first degree relative with a history of GDV is 1.63 times (63%) more likely to develop GDV than a dog without a history of GDV. As another example, if dog ‘A’ is a year older than dog ‘B’, then dog ‘A’ is 1.20 times (20%) more likely to develop GDV than dog ‘B’.


Risk Factor Relative Risk Interpretation

Age in years 1.20 20% increase in risk for each year increase in age

Chest depth/width ratio
(1.0 to 2.4) 2.70 170% increase in risk for each unit increase in chest depth/width ratio

First degree relative with GDV (yes vs. no) 1.63 63% increase in risk associated with having a first degree relative with GDV

Using a raised feed bowl
(yes vs. no) 2.10 110% increase in risk associated with using a raised food bowl

Speed of eating (1-10 scale)
[for Large dogs only] 1.15 15% increase in risk for each unit increase in speed of eating score for large dogs

Most of the popular methods currently recommended to prevent GDV did not appear to be effective, and one of these, raising the feed bowl, may actually be detrimental in the breeds studied.In order to decrease the incidence of GDV, we suggest that dogs having a first degree relative with a history of GDV should not be bred.Prophylactic gastropexy appears indicated for breeds at the highest risk of GDV, such as the Great Dane.


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References:

1. Lawrence T. Glickman, VMD, DrPH; Nita W. Glickman, MS, MPH; Diana B. Schellenberg, MS; Malathi Raghavan, DVM, MS; Tana Lee, BA. Incidence of and breed-related risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus in dogs.Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 2000;216(1):40-45.

2. Lawrence T. Glickman, VMD, DrPH; Nita W. Glickman, MS, MPH; Diana B. Schellenberg, MS; Malathi Raghavan, DVM, MS; Tana Lee, BA. Non-dietary risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus in large and giant breed dogs. Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 2000;217(10):1492-1499.

http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/update2.htm

[ 03-08-2007, 02:31 AM: Message edited by: Newfie in Oz ]
 

Ivoryudx

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Everyone should know the signs to watch for with Bloat, because there is not any one thing that has been proven to cause it. What I find very interesting with the Purdue Study is that everyone focused on the bowl being raised, when the higher percentage increased risk was 'chest depth'.

Purdue Study:
"Chest depth/width ratio (1.0 to 2.4) 2.70
170% increase in risk for each unit increase in chest depth/width ratio"

Of all the breeds who are prone to bloat, they can all have narrow but deep chests. Some dogs of these breed, including Newfoundlands, can be narrower with deeper chests than others.

No I don't think that is the entire cause, but I find it interesting that this particular issue has not gotten the interest that a raised bowl has, when it had a substantially higher risk percentage.
 

Ginny

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170% increase in risk for each unit increase in chest depth/width ratio"
No I don't think that is the entire cause, but I find it interesting that this particular issue has not gotten the interest that a raised bowl has, when it had a substantially higher risk percentage.
Probably because it'a a factor we can't control, like the raising or lowering of bowls.

A breeder I spoke to recently felt that it could be related to early spay/neuter. Who knows?!

[ 03-08-2007, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: Ginny ]
 

Ivoryudx

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ahh, but we CAN control it to a certain extent because our breed in particular, should not have a narrow chest. IF they are going to continue to do the jobs they originally were intended to do, they need a strong broad chest to go straight throught their back into a strong rear.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all dogs who have bloated have a narrow chest, because its just not known. I'm just thinking that it might be something to keep an eye on, and include in the list of priorities when breeding.
 
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