Great news and Rotten news

mollysmom

New member
I took both Molly and Emma to my ortho surgeon to have her evaluate their hips. Molly is 14 months and Emma is 11 months.

When the results were in, she put the hips up for Emma and said that these hips are so good that she would be dancing in the streets if this were her newf. That her hips were so good that she would like to call them severely good
.

She then place my Molly's xrays next to Emma's and said "now these are BAD hips". I asked how bad and she said that Molly's hips are as bad as Emma's are good. I asked on a scale of 1 to 10 where would you place these. Her response was if 1 was good, she would call this a 10. She sees total hip replacement in Molly's future. She can plateau where she is now, painfree and able to romp and play til even the age of 6 or 7. But when it falls apart, it will be necessary for her to have the surgery. Molly doesn't bunny hop, she runs with a lovely gait, she's really quite lovely to see in motion. But, I saw the xrays myself. The damage is there. The damage is severe. I was being dishonest with myself when she was younger. Molly, about 4mo. to 9mo. would always ask for help getting up from a laying position. I kept telling myself it was growing pains. It wasn't. She swims on a regular basis and this is why she is doing so well now. We have built muscle to do the work of the hips. I asked the ortho doc how this could be when Molly comes from not just good hips, but excellent hips like Emma's. And her response was that in the giant breed it's a crapshoot. It is in the breed itself and will pop up even from parents with good backgrounds.

Molly is my very very special girl. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be my sweet, loving, beautiful Mollymae. All I can hope for is to be able to keep her on her feet painfree for a long time. I almost wish I didn't know the results. Ignorance can be bliss.
 

dbradley

New member
Gosh life can be hard sometimes...I guess all we can do is concentrate on what is good and worry about the bad it happens.

With Moya I have so many concerns...IS she going to develop arthritis in her knee? Do I even want to bother finding out how her hips are? Like you said, ignorance is bliss.

Good luck and enjoy the good times while you can.
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
I am so happy for Emma and sorry for Molly. I know you must feel like you opened a can of worms, here, but you know that knowing things early on and giving preventative supplements will make her life long and pain free as possible.
 

mollysmom

New member
Hi Karen, I attribute Molly's painfree life to the supplements you had me put her on about 6 months ago. She no long is achey, gets up without asking for help, runs, plays with the other dogs and all around enjoys her life. You would not suspect her problem if I didn't tell you. The ortho surgeon I use is all for the supplements I have her on. She's 28" at the shoulders now, which is on the large side for girls her age. She only weighs 107, is on the lean side because I have kept her that way. She may stay this way for a long time. that's our hope.

Lynn, deep inside, I already knew she had bad hips. I was avoiding the situation. Ignorance is bliss, and I am envious of the people who can live there
. I'm just not one of them.

Damian, you know just like I knew you really do have to look at the hips. It may not be what we want to find out, but like Lynn said, the sooner we get them on the supplements, the better off they will be. It's just hard to take the bad news about somebody you love so much :( .
 

brendapiepiorka

New member
I know this might be repetative but can you discribe what symtoms your dogs displayed and how old they were when problems started? I too watch Maggie like crazy waiting to see if she is developing any problems. Is it possible for the problems to be there and the dog not show any symtoms? Thanks ladies .
Brenda
 

Angela

Super Moderator
Mollysmom Hi,
I don't post too often but this topic is close to my heart. I had a Newf who was asympomatic but went for Xrays for OFA when he was 2 yrs.
We were all horrified to see that he had no hip sockets and also would have been 10 on a 1-10.
We took him to see an holistic vet on the island here who first did acupuncture and then inserted gold beads around both hip areas under light anesthetic.
He continued to jump, run and play in a normal fashion and 3 yrs later we were curious and decided to have him re-xrayed. We took his original xrays with us to the vet and there was no degeneration, no arthritis to be seen. He continued to enjoy life with no stiffness etc.
If I had another dysplastic dog I would certainly try that route again before any surgery.
Just my 2 cents
 

sarnewfie

New member
mollysmom,
wow, talk about being high and than low.
glad to hear the good news, but i would try to stay positive in that, most newfs that dont go for the surgery route, and instead do the supplimentation route, do well.
if you keep that muscle tone up that is an added plus, and it is true, you can have the clearest lines, and than get powed by DJD in one or two pups.
it is a cold hard fact.
i wish you all the best.
stay positive and keep us posted on your progress.
 

AmyPC

Inactive Member
Woah, talk about sweet and sour at once, that is excellent about Emma though, on the positive side. But terrible about Molly. :(

It's funny how you talk about not wanting to admit something to yourself, my old Retriever had been through a lot, tail amputation and torn ligament repairs, etc., she began getting large lumps on her side that seemed fluid filled when she was quite old, about 12. We tossed up taking her to the vet many, many times but in the end decided against it. You see, if we found out something awful about the lumps, we would have felt pressured to take action, whereas we knew she was coming to the end of her journey and was in no pain, she was just old. It was better for us just to leave the lumps alone, in fact we did no trips to the vet at all in the last year and half of her life, we just had a funny feeling about upsetting that delicate balance. Something routine could potentially harm them at that age if their time is obviously near anyway (I think), we even dropped the annual vaccination as she didn't go anywhere except our backyard to pee and poop and then inside our house the rest of the time. She did have one last trip to the vet, to be put to sleep after she became paralysed in her back end due to a slipped disk in her back which was just one of those things. :(

As for Rory, she bunny hops a bit, no other problems, no trouble getting up, runs happily, jumps on and off the couch with no problems...we will probably have her hips checked out only if we see any other signs, we want to get the incontinence cleared up first (number one goal for 2003!).

Good luck with Molly, the supplements sound like they work wonders on lots of Newfies, I think I may even supplement if Rory's hips seem fine all her life...is there any harm in that at all?

You hear those stories about Newfs with awful hips that live long, active, wonderful lives...may it be this way with Molly!
 

Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
Wow... Such great news followed by such bad news... enough to make anyone dizzy and sick at heart. Yet, after reading all the following posts, there does seem to be cause for hope. Hugs to all of you...
 

mollysmom

New member
thankyou to all of you wonderful, caring people. I do take heart when I read these posts. I now watch Molly's every movement and I do have to say she is in NO pain. She is having the time of her life running around outside chasing and being chased (her number one joy in life
) by the other girls. When she's down, I watch her carefully as she gets up and she seems ok in that too. And ofcourse Tank, (Emma's nickname
) does everything better, but that gives me the example of what to watch for with my Mollywogs
.

I like the idea of the holistic vet and have located one about 40 miles from me. I will make an appointment with her as she should also be able to talk to me about the good, bad and ugly regarding heartworm as well. Karen, should I request Molly's xrays be sent there? Please let me know. I'm going to email you privately at your yahoo also.

Again, thank you for your kind responses. I am heartbroken for my sweetheart, but coming to terms with it.
 

NoahsCove

Inactive Member
Angela,

thanks for the info on the gold bead implants!! i've never heard of that before and that seems to be very promising information!!!

your post prompted me to search for more info and i found many sites to include the following (just incase anyone else is like me in having not heard of this type of therapy before i'll post the link here) :
Pet Tribune - Holistic Gold Bead Implantation

thanks again for the great info!!
 

mollysmom

New member
Angela, thanks so much for the information you shared. I have looked for and I think located this veterinarian who does this kind of work. I am SO willing to try this.

Karen, what do you think about the services this homeopathic doc lists?

Carvel G Tiekert DVM
2214 Old Emmorton Rd
Bel Air, MD 21015
410-569-7777
Small Animal, Equine
(Acpuncture, Chiropractic), AC(IVAS), BF, CR(AVCA), CN, CM, GL, H, HC, BI, PMT, NU, AK
 

mollysmom

New member
I have an appointment for Molly on December 3rd. How odd, they required a deposit today of $100 and then the rest (55) when I see him. I need to bring Molly's xrays and the report from the Ortho surgeon and a sample of everything Molly eats. We will have one hour with him. I hope I can remember everything he talks about, my mind is shot lately LOL. I'm just grateful I don't have to get medical records from Molly's regular vet. If she's given me a hard time previously about breeders, I can just imagine what she would say about a holistic vet.
 

Newfs Forever

New member
Dear Linda,

If I had it to do all over again I certainly would investigate any and all remedies with an holistic vet. However, in 1993 I didn't even know how to spell "holistic".

That said, if you do have to go the route of a total hip replacement, I will gladly relate to you what transpired with my then 4 1/2 yo newfie girl.

Just keep this in mind.

Best of luck!!

Sue
 
Thats sooo good about the goods news and im sincerly sorry for the not so good news but just be happy the she has a good owner like yourself,that loves her and takes care of her,to me qulity of life means everything,god bless and we will keep her in our prayers.
 

mollysmom

New member
thank you everyone for your encouraging words... All I know for sure is that Molly's quality of life is fantastic right now. She plays, loves to take walks, and is very upbeat and happy. She obviously is not in any pain. Now if I can just keep her in this place as time goes on, that's all I ask for.
 
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