Coat & Entropian

[BTA2M2]

I have a couple questions about a pup that the family went to look at yesterday. Below is a pic of her mom. She is a grey Newf, but her coat bothered me. She looked shaved for the summer, but the owner said no it's her normal coat. Is this type of coat normal or acceptable? Wondered if it had something to do with hormones from having the pups. Hubby thinks she may not be pure Newf b/c of the coat. Also, if all's on the up 'n up. What's the chances of the pup having that type of coat?

So, can you slip a mixed by AKC? The pups are registered and I saw the pedigree from AKC. But can that too be fudged?

The father is OFA certified for hips and I did find him on the registry. But it's just hip not heart or anything else.

Now another big question, the vet has diagnosed the pup with entropian and adviced to see if she grows out of it. If she doesn't, then surgery is an option but only when she's done growing. I know about entropian, but would you steer clear of the pup b/c of that?

 

[Dawj2]

I don't have serious amounts of experience but i have never seen a full newf that looked like her. Looks more like a lab mix to me but maybe someone better can chime in!

Duncan has entropian in both eyes and i just stretch them everyday and hold it for a count of 10 or 15 (whichever he allows) and it keeps it at bay. My vet told me if it doesn't affect his sight he is not going to do surgery because there isn't a 100% guarantee that it won't roll in again after surgery. an entropion wouldn't be my reasoning for steering clear exactly. If it is not too bad it can be pretty manageable.

 

[ardeagold]

I suspect she's just a very poorly bred Newf. And that's from her entire appearance. I don't know how old the girl is in the pics, but she's not a girl I'd choose to have a puppy from. Nothing about her meets any part of the breed standard.

They can really blow coat after puppies are born, and it can take months and months for it to come back in. They can virtually look bald.

Also, she's a grey (and looks like she has white on her toes too), so I'm wondering if there's also some Landseer in there. Anyway, greys can have some coat issues. It's a genetic problem.

Have you had a chance to read the threads about choosing a breeder here on NN? Other than checking OFA?

They and the links on the NCA itself can help you understand what's important when looking for a good quality puppy.

Here's the NCA link:

http://www.newfpuppy.com/

 

[Sun Valley]

Please listen to Donna... and please go to the NCA web site to look for a REPUTABLE breeder.

Lou Ann

 

[JDH2]

I know that the coat on my grey boy is not like his sister's. He is much easier since he doesn't mat like her, and he dries faster from swimming. With that being said I don't know if that is the norm since I have not seen any other greys in person. I do agree with Donna that you should find a reputable breeder. You don't want to support a BYB and you need someone to be there for you when you need them. Good luck with your search.

 

[noblenewf]

I'm in agreement with Lou Ann and Donna. It is extremely important to be patient and find a REPUTABLE breeder. This female is not a female Newf that I, either, would get a puppy from. Simply because she is not the breed standard at all. There is much, much more to look for in a breeder other than the fact that their dogs are AKC registered. Please, please follow the links above and try to find a quality breeder. I am in your area and I see all the time people advertising "Newf puppies" on puppy listing websites and also in local newspapers. None of which I would get a Newf puppy from. It is imperative that you go to a reputable breeder who gets all health clearances from all of their breeding dogs, who is active in the local breed club and has experience with the breed. Your chances of getting a healthy Newf puppy are significantly higher if you choose a reputable breeder over others. There are multiple sticky threads on searching for a good breeder. From experience, most of us can assure you that health problems in Newfoundland dogs are extremely costly...and you need to ensure that you have taken every precaution possible to increase your chances of a healthy pup. A reputable breeder will have health clearances (all of them...not just hips) on their dogs, be active in the show ring, involved with draft/water work, involved with local and national breed clubs, and will likely have a waiting list for a pup. Trust me...it's worth the extra legwork and also the wait.
I'm not trying to discourage you. I'm simply trying to save you from future heartache with a poorly bred pup from a backyard breeder.

 

[BTA2M2]

You ladies are being very helpful - thank you! I had a gut instinct but thought I'd come to the experts!

 

[noblenewf]

http://ncanewfs.org/breeder.shtml

 

[Sully]

I agree with all of the above - you really should find a reputable breeder. It is important to do so for the health of the puppy, but also you do not want to support the kinds of people who should not be breeding in the first place!
As Jess stated, you want someone who has multiple health clearances,(not just on the parents but down the pedigree) is active in the show ring and is involved with breed clubs. I know it is tempting to take short cuts to get a puppy faster or save a bit of money but you may regret it later. (vet bills for a newf with health problems are VERY expensive) Backyard breeders/puppy mills will continue to breed as long as someone is buying..

 

[victoria1140]

go for a reputable breeder Beau was a rescue but we managed to get papers for him from his former owners . We know he is a byb dog, doesn't detract from the fact that he is gorgeous to us but we didn't pay the breeders premium. Beau has had some serious health issues and he has worried us half t death from them. Have you considered a rescue

 

[nowhavethreebears]

I agree with Lou Ann and all the others. She is probably purebred, but VERY poorly bred. What you can see may be only the tip of the iceberg as far as future problems with a pup from that breeder.
Please take the advice given and find a better breeder. Patience is hard I know, but it will pay off big time in the long run.

 

[BlackLightning]

I think once you start looking at breeders from the NCA website and do more research on breeders, you will be able to see how that girl is far from the breed standard.

 

[Garden_girl]

So, can you slip a mixed by AKC? The pups are registered and I saw the pedigree from AKC. But can that too be fudged?

I suppose that's possible, but AKC is only a registry-that's it. You can put any two AKC registered Newfs together and register the litter. AKC doesn't speak to the quality of the dog at all (only that it's purebred), but a lot of people think that it does.


I wouldn't get a Newf from this girl either and I have a BYB Newf. We are very lucky that we don't have any health problems with her!

I noticed that you were considering a rescue, too. Have you given up on that idea?

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

That looks like her normal coat. Where did you find this breeder?

 

[BTA2M2]

I know it sounds horrible, but I happened to see her son's blog and pics of his Newfs and saw there were puppies.

 

[2Paws]

There are several BYB breeders in that general area of Michigan that I would stay clear of. We see too many of their dogs in rescue. Having registration papers available or a pedigree does not indicate quality or health at all. Please check with the NCA website for a list of reputable breeders or with the Rescue agencies before getting a newfie.

 

[Erika]

go the rescue route....Our 5 are rescue and I wouldnt do it any other way. Only my way of thinking but please consider rescue