I use combs mostly. During a big shed, I use a rake. I use a pin brush that also has boar hair bristles right before entering the show ring. But I agree, it must be stiff enough to pull through the Newf coat, otherwise it is doing nothing more than a slicker. I think if you want to use a pin brush, you should buy the best one you can afford because the pins come out of the cheaper ones and I hate that....just saying...