Best food for pregnant/nursing dogs

Greg L

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(reposted to remove identifying info - G)

My dog is expecting her first litter in a few weeks and I'm would like to start her on a high-energy feed soon to help promote milk production and generally keep her in good shape through the stressful whelping and nursing period to come.

I currently feed Diamond Naturals Lamb Meal and Rice along with some raw supplements (Satin Balls!).

Some breeders recommend starting a mom on high protein/fat puppy food a couple of weeks prior to whelping. I would be grateful for the suggestions of those of you with more experience in breeding than I.

While I respect the opinions of those feeding raw diets, I'm don't think that now is the time to make the switch with my crew so I'm mostly interested in general recommendations of commercial diets, particularly with regard to protein/fat content.
 

Sherrie

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I thought we were not allowed to mention a future litter in any way? I am confused.
As far as the food goes I myself would not feed lamb and rice. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought lamb was deficient in Taurine.
 

Greg L

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I thought we were not allowed to mention a future litter in any way?
You aren't that's why I said it was reposted to remove identifying information. That doesn't mean that questions can't be asked, it just has to be done in a way that others don't know who is asking it (& by default informing everyone that they have a litter on the way).
 

Sound Bay Newfs

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Thanks for clarifying that, Greg, as I was about to congratulate you on your upcoming litter.:whistling:
As for the pregnant bitch, I would get her off the lamb. I never used puppy food. You do need to increase her food intake now and add calcium rich foods, like cheeses or yogurt to replace what the pups are taking from the mother.
 

Codes

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It's been my understanding that it's not wise to supplement a pregnant bitch's diet with Calcium. To each his own I suppose. What works for one bitch may not work for another. I know of several people who feed a raw diet and have had no trouble with whelping.

Here's an article from Myra Savant discussing the use of calcium.

SUPPLEMENTS FOR PREGNANT BITCHES

By MYRA SAVANT, December 11, 2006:

Ok. I will go over this calcium thing once again..... I meet with a certain amount of resistance to this information every time I post it, which gets discouraging. What I am going to say about calcium is not simply my casual opinion, it is pure scientific fact. Do you all know how dangerous tobacco is? And yet you hear of 90 year old 3 pack a day smokers who live long lives and never get cancer? They are the exception; not the rule.

Breeders who can supplement their bitches with calcium and never run into problems are the exception; not the rule. Calcium is exactly what I say it is.......and then you have your exceptions.....and the exceptions get very verbal and usually want to challenge the truth of what I am presenting to you.

I even run into breeders who say: "well, yes, I do feed the raw diet and two of my last three deliveries were c-sections, but it wasn't because of the diet. It was because of a big puppy, badly positioned puppy etc."

No, it was because of the calcium levels of your diet. That's why the bitch couldn't push out the big puppy and why her contractions couldn't reposition the sideways puppy or whatever.

Calcium is about muscle contractibility far more than it is about bones and teeth. It causes muscle to be able to contract smoothly and strongly. Oxytocin is about timing. It sets up the timing for the contractions and determines when they start and when they end. It alters the cell wall of the muscle cell to allow calcium to enter the cell and let it cause the cell fiber to contract. They work in tandem as a well-oiled and rehearsed machine.

If you supplement your bitch with calcium while she is gestating, this includes a raw diet with raw bones, puppy kibble, cottage cheese, yogurt, pet tabs or any other source of calcium, you run a high rish of altering the ph of the mother's blood.

If the ph is altered, the hormone secreted by the para-thyroid gland will do a less than efficient job of causing the release of calcium from the bones of the bitch when she needs calcium for strong contractions. The higher ph level will render the hormone from the parathyroid gland to be virtually useless. That hormone is the facilitator for releasing extra calcium out of the bones when the bitch needs it for uterine contractions.

The result will be: inertia, inability to push out a puppy, inability for the uterine muscle to contract appropriately to bring about the repositioning of the puppy for delivery.

Following delivery, the decreased calcium level will cause the mother to be unable to figure out how to mother. She may lick incessantly, bark or growl at her puppies or lie on her tummy refusing to allow them to nurse. A few days into the post partum time, she may go into eclampsia, which is a seizure disorder caused by low calcium levels.

AGAIN......these problems generally stem from the calcium that is fed to the mother while she is gestating.

If you never supplement but feed your dog a good quality, mid-priced kibble designed for all adult dogs (not puppies or gestating moms) and you do not supplement with anything, chances are very, very good that your mom's ability to pull out calcium from her bones for those times when she needs extra calcium for uterine contractions, parenting skills and production of milk.....will be intact. In other words, it is when we tamper that we run into problems. Give not a shred of extra calcium to the gestating bitch.

Keep Calsorb on hand to use during whelping to encourage stronger contractions, Give it generously to the brand new mom and you will see her parenting skills return to her within 15 minutes or so, and keep it on top of the puppy pen in case your bitch goes into eclampsia.

However.....if you simply never tamper with the calcium intake, chances are good you'll never need to supplement it at all. If you don't tamper, the parathyroid gland and its hormone will provide the extra calcium at those times when it is needed.

Just don't tamper.....no cottage cheese.

Myra
 

Sound Bay Newfs

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Thanks for the quote Codes. I don't believe supplementing with calcium is a good idea except in the last 2 weeks of pregnancy which is what the question was. I do agree supplementing with calcium earlier is not a good idea. I will be at Myra Savant-Harris' seminar in a couple of weeks, so I will ask for clarification then.
 
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Ivoryudx

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Lynn - Its my understanding that the last two weeks is even more important to not supplement at all.

I guess the old saying is true....'Don't mess with MOTHER NATURE'....(now where's my lightening bolt) haha
 

Sun Valley

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Hi Mary K,

Thanks so much for that article.... I am on the canine repro and puppy care list and have been amazed at some of the tips I've picked up. Myra is on that list and frequently post's. Like, Lynn, I will be at Myra's seminar the end of the month.

Lou Ann
 

BluwaterNewfs

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I went to the 2 day seminar in November - It was wonderful. I got so much out it.
Myra said since she since stop feeding raw and supplementing calcium, she has not had to do a c-section. I think she said it's been about 7 or 8 years.
 

Sound Bay Newfs

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I had always heard that supplementing the last two weeks was important since the pups rob the mother of calcium with their bone and teeth development. But the learning process continues on to insure healthy pups, so the tips and and theories are worth looking into.
 

Codes

Active member
Hi Lou Ann,
I too am a member of that list. Boy that's quite a fast paced group!

I would love to attend one of Mrya's seminars one day. I found out about this upcoming one a little too late to make plans to attend.
 

sarnewfie

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What is the name of the list? i think i joined the wrong one! LOL oh and i think it rediculous that a breeder cannot ask for advice, this is just, well, whatever!!!
anyway, if you guys can pass me the name of the list i would be most grateful.

;)
 
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