aggressive ? pack order? or just me?

AmyPC

Inactive Member
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by misamala00:
You've got some very sound advice by now, I would just like to express my point of view. I thing Buddy is just in the period when he's ranking himself in your pack. It's normal for most of the dogs, specially males. Maybe not so newf like, but newfs are dogs too!
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I think Mirjam's quote about is really important to remember.

We often hear that this behaviour or that behaviour is not very Newf-like, but as Mirjam has said above, they are first a dog and second a Newf.

Speaking from personal experience in owning a Newfie who at times (and especially when younger, as some of you will remember) has exhibited some behaviour that is definitely not very Newf-like. In fact, she still does exhibit behaviour that I HOPE isn't your typical Newf stuff - like at the moment we are going through some aggression behaviour towards other dogs.

Because there is such a specific blueprint of how a Newfie is supposed to act like, I have at times been quite worried about her behaviour that doesn't quite fit the prototype and it has sometimes made me doubt myself - what have I done wrong with Rory? Have I picked a 'bad dog'? Was the breeder bad?

But then most of the time I shake those thoughts out of my head and think, maybe it's just her personality. I think in the same way people have different personalities, dogs do too. And while they are all Newfies, and that links them in common, and they have a lot of behaviour traits in common, they can't all be lumped in the same basket, just like you can't say "all people of x race do this or that".

Anyway, you've been given some wonderful advice here in this thread and a lot of it I will be following myslef when Rory reverts from time to time back into her 'you can't tell me what to do' moments! I think ultimately what I'm trying to say is don't rule out that your pup is reacting to something you've inadvertantly done, but don't necessarily think that's it either. It could just be one of those things that you have little effect on. But hopefully you'll be able to take charge and change it!

Good luck,

Amy
 

buddy

New member
I think the problem is probably more me. I'm not a very good dog, but a pretty good emotional human............This is my first dog,and I'll have to practice acting like one a little more. You would think working in a office full of women I would understand pack order and the alpha roll!


Jennifer
 

buddy

New member
We are coming along. The hand feeding wasn't too popular at first, a couple of missed feedings and a hungry belly took care of that. We haven't had any more "episodes" since Sunday. I have done the alpha roll a couple of times during play, he "seems" to calm fairly quickly now. I will work with the obedience instructor on Saturday to be sure I'm doing in right, I have heard doing it incorrectly can encourage bad bahavior. I caught Buddy on my chair last night, when I walked over to tell him "down" he tried to roll on his back in the chair and almost fell off. We're working on our consistency too. Things are lookin' up! ;D

Jennifer
 

misamala00

Inactive Member
Keep up the good work! I belive you're on the right track and Buddy will end up to be a great friend.

Mirjam & Misha
 

Miyax

Inactive Member
I'm rooting for ya Jennifer!!
Let us know how the meeting with the training instructor goes!


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A tribute to his Newfoundland:
"... beauty without vanity
strength without insolence
courage without ferocity
and all the virtues of man without his vices"
- Lord Byron, 1808
 

mollysmom

New member
I've been in this situation too. The difference is that it was my male Golden Retriever who thought he was going to tear into a Newfie girl I had just brought home to foster for a while. Thank heavens my husband was with me. I threw the Newf's leash at him and threw Cosmo to the ground and then threw myself on top of him. He struggled wildly. It took all my strength just to keep him under me. I ached for days afterward, but by the time I let him up and I'd finished screaming in his face, he realized I would not tolerate this behavior.

Did I mention this was outside, 30 degrees and very dark and wet out? :)

It doesn't matter what breed you have, some dogs just have an alpha attitude. Goldens are not supposed to behave this way either, but it happened.

At my breeders home, she keeps certain groups of dogs together when in the house. This is because some of the Newfs like to push around some of the other newfs. It's common. It does happen. Don't be concerned about Buddy's temperment, but DO be sure you are the alpha _itch in your home. I am, in my house, and all my dogs know it. I can walk up to Molly who is growling at Cosmo who is trying to sneak a bite out of her food bowl at feeding time. I can put my hand right in her bowl, grab her muzzle and shake it, correcting her, without worrying that the aggression will turn on me. That's because she knows that though she may be trying to boss Cosmo around, I AM THE REAL BOSS.

I hope all went well with the trainer, I'll be looking in to see what he had to say. And by the way, Welcome! Linda
 

Carol A. Zatorski

Inactive Member
I have a 5 year old alpha female newfy. My Gracie also snarls and bares teeth with me regarding raw hides, pigs ears etc. That is in most cases the only time I see that behavior. I don't appreciate it, but I also know not to go near the treats. Other than that, she is the most loving...

I also had a struggle with her regarding who was the boss. I had watched a program where a man racing in the iditrod (spelling?) disiplined his dogs by bitting them on the back of the neck (imitating the disipline action of the mother). I used this trick. It was not a pleasant tasting experience, but the message finally got across that I was the top dog.
 

buddy

New member
Sorry I haven't posted recently, been very busy 'round here. We met with the obedience instructor last Saturday. She didn't think it was an "aggressive" problem. She thought it was more of a terrible 2's problem. Said he was at the age that he would start pushing his boundaries. Suggested more obedience work daily (we have gotten sloppy), and to be extremely consistant with our training and house rules. She also said that having him neutered should make a bit of difference, but can take up to 6 weeks (not always).

Sometimes a third eye is very insightful. She noticed that Buddy makes more eye contact with my husband, but doesn't "obey" as well, where the opposite was the case with me, listens better but not much eye contact. Getting much better, and he is adjusting to the change in dynamics, although with a very obvious pout, snort & everlasting sigh!

Thanks,
Jennifer
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
It sounds like things are under control, now. I applaud you on your persistance and determination to solve this problem. Buddy is lucky to have you. I had always heard that when you make eye contact with a dog, then you are challenging them. That would fit right in with what the trainer noticed. He doesn't make eye contact with you as much because he now feels subordinate to you and therefore obeys you. He will make eye contact with your husband because he feels superior to your husband and does not feel he has to obey him.
Keep up the good work.
Lynn
 

mollysmom

New member
NewfYork has it exactly right. I agree totally. It sounds like you've done all the right things if he's not making eye contact with you.

It's great that you had the behaviorist come out to see things from a professional standpoint.

Good work! Your rewards are right around the corner. Buddy can now be all he should be, loving and gentle.
 

Laura

Inactive Member
Hi everyone!

I'm quite new to this forum and I don't know much about Newfies but I'm very interested in them and in dogs' behaviour in general.

I used to own a dog that was very aggressive (growled and bit all the time). It was a rough coated daschund and I was very young at the time (10 or so), and the experience was quite traumatic.

However, I would like to own a new dog soon (I'm 23 now) and I love newfies, so I'm quite determined to get one of the breed and would like to find out as much information as possible about their behaviour. That's one reason why I like this forum so much, the other being that you are all very nice people!

I've been reading all the posts in this topic and I'm very interested to know how it's going. Any news, Jennifer? I hope all is going well.

I don't know many things about the alpha role or behaviour issues and would like to read on it. Can anyone recommend me a few good books? I saw one or two mentioned in the messages, but I'd like more titles just in case I can't find those (I live in Spain, some might be difficult to find!).

Thanks everyone! :)

Laura
 
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