Whole Raw Mackerel

shellyk

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This question is really for Peter Maniate but I am sure other Newf experts will know too. I was checking out the approved food list on Hannibal Kennels web site. It lists raw whole uncleaned mackerel. I found whole raw mackerel at a small Asian food market near my house and I didn't buy it because I didn't want to clean it or cook it :eek:. Does whole mean head and tail too? They offer these whole fish for a comparable price to canned mackerel. Would mackerel like this be fed with kibble or all by itself?
 

BlackLightning

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No need to clean it or remove heads or tails. :) I feed whole raw mackerel to my guys as part of their raw diet on a regular basis. It comes in 15kg frozen boxes. I thaw it just enough to pull them apart and portion and back into the freezer they go until it's time to use them.

Usually it is not recommended to feed raw and kibble in the same meal as the PH of the stomach for digesting raw differs than that for kibble.

Here are a couple of photos

Boum enjoying his dinner!


And a box of fish ready for portioning
 

Peter Maniate

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Kaila gave you the answer very well. I like to get fish that are a pound or less so portioning is easier. For clarification, whole not only means heads and tails but the inards as well. This is the complete balanced diet that kept our Newfs healthy centuries ago and no one has been able to improve on it.
 

AngusMcDubhsMom

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How much does each "meal" weigh and do you feed once or twice a day? Do you feed them anything else besides the fish? I'm very interested in this too. Thank you.
 

dblsr

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Does it matter what kind of fish it is, or can they eat any kind. We live on a lake that has pike, as well as trout, blue gill etc. I heard pike are very bony, does that matter? We only moved here a year ago, and didn't think about feeding our dogs the fish from the lake, until Montana went to visit a guy that was on the lake ice fishing a few weeks back, and when he wasn't looking she stole a fish from him, and I guess she loved it. We are thinking about doing a lot of fishing for them, if it's okay to feed it to them.
 
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BlackLightning

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How much does each "meal" weigh and do you feed once or twice a day? Do you feed them anything else besides the fish? I'm very interested in this too. Thank you.
My two eat twice a day and they get about 400grams a meal (454 grams is a pound). So, about 2 pounds a day of raw meat.

A typical mackerel is anywhere from about 350 grams to about 500 grams. If you wanted, you could portion exactly, but I usually just give them the whole fish. If they get a little too fat, I reduce them. I don't fuss too much with the weight.

The mackerel is a part of my guys diet, but they also get organs, chicken, turkey, etc. quite a bit of fish though. I buy the fish for $2.20/lb and buy it in 15kg cases. I take it out in the morning from the freezer, let it thaw in the fridge and hand them a fish at dinner time. My two will NOT eat it if it's conpletely thawed. They like it just thawed enough to bite off frozen chunks. It's a consistency thing. :)

At dinner I take out their morning meal from the freezer and into the fridge it goes for breakfast!

I feed mackerel simply because I can get big cases of it for a relatively decent price. Out of all the raw meat I feed, the fish is the most expensive.

In terms of fresh fish from a lake, Peter may know better than me, but I would only feed it after deep freezing for three weeks or so and I'd want to do some research on the specific fish and region to ensure the fish was safe to eat. I wouldn't be at all worried about bone content. :)

They do not get anything else with their meal except their normal add-ons like kelp, salmon oil, etc
 

Peter Maniate

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How much does each "meal" weigh and do you feed once or twice a day? Do you feed them anything else besides the fish? I'm very interested in this too. Thank you.
How much a Newf eats depends on many factors such as age, size, whether intact or not, energy level, individual metabolism, etc. However, two to three pounds of whole fatty fish would be the normal range. This should be adjusted as any diet should based on stool consistency, weight gain or lack thereof and coat condition. You can use the calorie table in my Approved Food List to get an idea of how many calories to start with. However calories are not equal and how much they digest is the most important factor and this ancestral raw diet is one of the most digestible.
 

Peter Maniate

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Does it matter what kind of fish it is, or can they eat any kind. We live on a lake that has pike, as well as trout, blue gill etc. I heard pike are very bony, does that matter? We only moved here a year ago, and didn't think about feeding our dogs the fish from the lake, until Montana went to visit a guy that was on the lake ice fishing a few weeks back, and when he wasn't looking she stole a fish from him, and I guess she loved it. We are thinking about doing a lot of fishing for them, if it's okay to feed it to them.
To be a complete diet the fish must be a "fatty" fish rather than a "whitefish". Trout, which is a subspecies of salmon, certainly qualifies. Many lakefish are not fatty fish and while certainly nutritious, would need to be supplemented with other ingredients.
 

Peter Maniate

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In terms of fresh fish from a lake, Peter may know better than me, but I would only feed it after deep freezing for three weeks or so and I'd want to do some research on the specific fish and region to ensure the fish was safe to eat. I wouldn't be at all worried about bone content. :)
The only raw fish that may be a problem are spawning fish, like salmon and trout from the Pacific Northwest. These fish from the west coast of BC and Alaska may have a parasite of a parasite that is poisonous to canines, both wild and domestic. However being frozen for a week will make the fish safe. I am not aware of any problem from inland lakes.
 

CMDRTED

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I have given mine:

Salmon (Pacific) - That's the only one I cook (Parasites)
Mackrel - Fresh or Fresh Frozen
Sardines - Fresh Frozen (there are about 6 inche long)
Golden Trout - Fresh

All are snarfed down with great Gusto!
 

CMDRTED

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Anyone. Just Curious, How much do you let the fish defrost. Mine is about 90%. I'm concerned about bloat if it's too frozen. Paranoid I guess.
 

BlackLightning

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Anyone. Just Curious, How much do you let the fish defrost. Mine is about 90%. I'm concerned about bloat if it's too frozen. Paranoid I guess.
I let mine thaw in the fridge for about 9-10 hours. It is still frozen, but not solid. Anymore thawed and my guys want nothing to do with it! I have fed it completely rock solid frozen before. Had no issues, I just prefer not to do it.
 
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