R Taft
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I would also think it might be this.....My Abbey did the same, lick, lick and more licking.
The meds sorted it really quick
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The meds sorted it really quick
bria
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Thanks guys but why did this take 1 1/2 years after her spay to start? That's the part I don't get since they sort of link it to females after being spayed. Are they referring to down the road or immediately after. I will try the PPA. So am I to understand that these meds are not a lifetime thing?
Susan
Susan
Pipelineozzy
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Susan, post spay incontinence can happen right away or a few years down the road. It's very individual...some bitches never have an issue with it at all...and remain continent even after being spayed. Some will have it start shortly after, and some not for years. I would consider stilbesterol instead of the PPA, it's much less expensive. PPA has to be given daily, stilbesterol often only once weekly or twice weekly once the initial dosing is done. Stilbesterol is also much less expensive that PPA. It's the ephedrine in sudafed that works...but IMO...I would go with a vet med first. We used to used sudafed a lot but now with access to stilbesterol, we don't recommend it anymore. This is basically like hormone replacement therapy in women in a lot of ways.
Pipelineozzy
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And susan, yes, most of them stay on it lifelong...at a low dose in the case of stilbesterol.
ardeagold
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Sudafed is PPA (phenylpropanolamine) and Stilbesterol is DES (a synthetic form of estrogen). They work in different ways. I'd talk with my Vet about the pros/cons of each. And also do some research on both on the net first.
Oh..and to help clear up the irritation around the vulva, clean well with antibacterial soap and water...rinse...pat dry then put Desitin (baby diaper rash Desitin...original formula) around the irritated area. Keeps the urine off the skin, stops the burning, and it'll help heal the irritated area. Works wonders.
Oh..and to help clear up the irritation around the vulva, clean well with antibacterial soap and water...rinse...pat dry then put Desitin (baby diaper rash Desitin...original formula) around the irritated area. Keeps the urine off the skin, stops the burning, and it'll help heal the irritated area. Works wonders.
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Pipelineozzy
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No, Sudafed isn't PPA.. Susan is in Canada..and the formulations are different in Canada.
In Canada[1], Sudafed contains phenylephrine hydrochloride, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride in a 120mg "12 hour time release" capsule, or pseudoephedrine hydrochloride combined with other ingredients (e.g. Ibuprofen).
In the United States[2], section 711 of the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 reclassifies phenylpropanolamine, pseudoephedrine and ephedrine as Schedule Listed Chemicals. SLCs were reduced by the Federal pertransaction sales limit from 9 grams to 3.6 grams. The amount recently proposed by the Administration requires behind-the-counter storage or locked cabinet storage.
In Canada[1], Sudafed contains phenylephrine hydrochloride, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride in a 120mg "12 hour time release" capsule, or pseudoephedrine hydrochloride combined with other ingredients (e.g. Ibuprofen).
In the United States[2], section 711 of the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 reclassifies phenylpropanolamine, pseudoephedrine and ephedrine as Schedule Listed Chemicals. SLCs were reduced by the Federal pertransaction sales limit from 9 grams to 3.6 grams. The amount recently proposed by the Administration requires behind-the-counter storage or locked cabinet storage.
You'd have to check for whichever country your are in because of all the changes when people started cooking meth with it...but YES, it's a situation of talking to your vet..because even if a person was using sudafed, the formulations for it have changed too.
In Canada[1], Sudafed contains phenylephrine hydrochloride, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride in a 120mg "12 hour time release" capsule, or pseudoephedrine hydrochloride combined with other ingredients (e.g. Ibuprofen).
In the United States[2], section 711 of the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 reclassifies phenylpropanolamine, pseudoephedrine and ephedrine as Schedule Listed Chemicals. SLCs were reduced by the Federal pertransaction sales limit from 9 grams to 3.6 grams. The amount recently proposed by the Administration requires behind-the-counter storage or locked cabinet storage.
In Canada[1], Sudafed contains phenylephrine hydrochloride, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride in a 120mg "12 hour time release" capsule, or pseudoephedrine hydrochloride combined with other ingredients (e.g. Ibuprofen).
In the United States[2], section 711 of the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 reclassifies phenylpropanolamine, pseudoephedrine and ephedrine as Schedule Listed Chemicals. SLCs were reduced by the Federal pertransaction sales limit from 9 grams to 3.6 grams. The amount recently proposed by the Administration requires behind-the-counter storage or locked cabinet storage.
You'd have to check for whichever country your are in because of all the changes when people started cooking meth with it...but YES, it's a situation of talking to your vet..because even if a person was using sudafed, the formulations for it have changed too.
Pipelineozzy
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I was wrong in the above post...PPA was removed from all meds in Canada WAY back in 2000..but it wasn't the meth connection, which is the ephedrine in it...it was because it was found to increase the risks of strokes etc. in women who took the PPA. Either way...it isn't in Sudafed in Canada or any other OTC drug...PPA has to be obtained from a vet here. I think they would try stilbesterol in spay incontinence first anyway. My own Tanny is on PPA, but she is ectopic, so it's a different issue with her.
ardeagold
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You're right Cindy...Sudafed isn't PPA. It might have been in the past (many sinus/cold/diet drugs contained it). The FDA issued an advisory (warning) about PPA in 2000 ... but didn't require it be removed from the shelves. However, the drug was voluntarily removed from many popular OTC drugs by the manufacturers, and they've been reformulated so they don't contain PPA.
The problem with PPA was high blood pressure, potentially causing brain hemmorage/strokes, especially in young people.
Because of the "meth labs" popping up all over the place, we have to go to the pharmacist, show our license, and sign a form to get Sudafed (pseudoephedrine). But we don't need a prescription. We can also only purchase so much at a time. Yet we CAN still get it. The original Sudafed.
The over the counter drugs now do NOT contain pseudoephedrine either. The OTC version of Sudafed in the US is called Sudafed PE and it contains phenylephrine instead of pseudoephedrine ... and it doesn't work worth a damn on sinus problems, BTW.
The problem with PPA was high blood pressure, potentially causing brain hemmorage/strokes, especially in young people.
Because of the "meth labs" popping up all over the place, we have to go to the pharmacist, show our license, and sign a form to get Sudafed (pseudoephedrine). But we don't need a prescription. We can also only purchase so much at a time. Yet we CAN still get it. The original Sudafed.
The over the counter drugs now do NOT contain pseudoephedrine either. The OTC version of Sudafed in the US is called Sudafed PE and it contains phenylephrine instead of pseudoephedrine ... and it doesn't work worth a damn on sinus problems, BTW.
bria
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Yes this is an amazing post thank you everyone. Also I see my next question was answered about my being in Canada (Cindy I see you saw that) and the fact that our meds are different. I do know that meds that can be obtained over the counter in the States are often by prescription only here. I will call my vet this am and ask her about Stilbersterol. I can't believe I have never dealt with a dog with incontinence well except for my very old Maltipoo who's having accidents these days.
Donna I'm guessing Desitin is similar to Penaten? I believe they all contain some zinc in it. Diaper rash is yeast is it not and if so would Canesten (what woman use for yeast infections) also work on Bria? I have a client who's a neo-natal nurse and she told me that if they run out of cream for the babies they use Canesten on diaper rash.
Also what sort of antibacterial soap am I looking for? Do I get a shampoo from the vet or is there something off the counter that can be used on Bria?
This is wonderful. Funny when you need answers how is it that you get them here faster then at your vet? Chances are there is always a number of people here who have dealt with the same issue and have found what works. I could have saved myself hundreds of dollars if I had just posted here first.
Susan
Donna I'm guessing Desitin is similar to Penaten? I believe they all contain some zinc in it. Diaper rash is yeast is it not and if so would Canesten (what woman use for yeast infections) also work on Bria? I have a client who's a neo-natal nurse and she told me that if they run out of cream for the babies they use Canesten on diaper rash.
Also what sort of antibacterial soap am I looking for? Do I get a shampoo from the vet or is there something off the counter that can be used on Bria?
This is wonderful. Funny when you need answers how is it that you get them here faster then at your vet? Chances are there is always a number of people here who have dealt with the same issue and have found what works. I could have saved myself hundreds of dollars if I had just posted here first.
Susan
victoria1140
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we tend to use a chamomile and lavender barrier rash cream here so it helps with the healing as well. Get mine off ebay but I would think most baby nappy rash creams would be suitable.
One thing to be careful of with some of the drugs is they can sometimes zonk your dog out a little. I cant remember what Maddy was on but she was a walking zombie so took her off it.
One thing to be careful of with some of the drugs is they can sometimes zonk your dog out a little. I cant remember what Maddy was on but she was a walking zombie so took her off it.