PETA MESSAGE - *not for the sensative*

[pres_nphca]

PETA MESSAGE - *not for the sensitive*

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE AN EMAIL I GOT FROM PETA.
It saddens me that there are people out there who just don't care.

If you have the time, please read about what you can do to stop this.
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Most people view animal shelters as a safe haven for homeless animals looking for a second chance at a loving home. Tragically, many animals at North Utah Valley Animal Shelter (NUVAS) never get that opportunity.
PETA recently received 50 photos of dogs NUVAS sold to the University of Utah for use in cruel and deadly experiments. Some of the animals sold to the university have holes drilled into their skulls, their chests cut open and medical devices implanted onto their hearts, and hard plastic tubes repeatedly forced down their throats.
NUVAS is the only animal shelter in the state of Utah that continues to betray animals in its care by selling them for experimentation, and it's time for the shelter to stop this disgraceful practice of profiting at the expense of these dogs.
See photos and read about Max and other dogs who were denied a second chance at a loving home and learn about what you can do to help end this practice.
Thank you for helping dogs!

 

[4ondafloor]

Why would you even post this?
Everyone here is already aware of these horrible practices...
IMO these types of things would be better served being mass e-mailed to people not already devoted to a breed such as the Newf
YUCK!!!
(but that's just me)

 

[wrknnwf]

I'm afraid you won't find many PETA supporters here, since they routinely kill nearly all the animals they take into their shelter and are 100% against people having pets.

But yes, it's hard to come to terms with animals being used for research.

 

[pres_nphca]

Why would you even post this?
Everyone here is already aware of these horrible practices...
IMO these types of things would be better served being mass e-mailed to people not already devoted to a breed such as the Newf
YUCK!!!
(but that's just me)

I'm sorry if I offended you. I know we are all aware of these practices, I was just hoping that maybe someone on Newf.net besides myself might want to try and help some helpless dogs. I love all animals and would do anything I could to help them.

If I violated some sort of policy of this site, I apologize from the bottom of my heart. My intention was to try and help those that cannot help themselves. I rescued my first Newf Kali from being sent to a Pharmaceutical company for testing. Maybe THIS is why I thought posting it would do some good.

 

[wrknnwf]

Don't apologize! You didn't do anything wrong. But you will probably find that PETA is not appreciated. It probably would have worked better if you had just left their name out and encouraged people to adopt from that shelter.

But not to worry! We don't really eat people who post on here, even if we disagree! LOL!

 

[4ondafloor]

NO NO... I'm not offended at all...I was just a bit disgusted with reading about this and about Pita.
Jane's right...we don't eat our own around here.
I think I should have added too that Pita doesn't win any favor around here so it was really all for naught.
You post whatever you want. My goodness, it's your forum too. I was just wondering WHY you chose to post it here, that's all.
We've seen some horrid things about animal cruelty lately. Maybe my disgust got to me.
There's so much of it in the news that the LAST place I want to read about it is here.
But again, that's just me and I'm nobody....just one person among many. (who is a tad too opinionated for her own good some times)

 

[Thule's Mom]

We are all supporters of animal rights here I'm sure. In my opinion, it is advisable to check out who it is you are supporting, before you choose to support, or even believe what they are saying. It isn't wise (again, in my opinion!) to take any of these "animal rights" organizations at face value.

Good for you though for having the heart to try and save animals in need!:hugs:

 

[Charlie'sMom]

Why would you even post this?
Everyone here is already aware of these horrible practices...
IMO these types of things would be better served being mass e-mailed to people not already devoted to a breed such as the Newf
YUCK!!!
(but that's just me)

Wow! That was a bit harsh I think.
I think it is horrible that they would sell these animals for experimentation, and it should be addressed, but maybe not through PETA (maybe writing the state representative, and the shelter yourself is more appropriate). I just hate to add fuel to PETA's fire.

 

[ardeagold]

PETA is definitely not an organization I would ever support in any way. Period. And The HSUS is close behind them.

And, although I feel, too, that Debra stated her feelings a bit too harshly, I agree with her that seeing post after post about "general" animal cruelty bothers me too.

There are stories in the news every day. On the internet everywhere you look. Especially on Facebook. I'll see the same link to the same story over and over and over.

I feel that everyone here definitely does all they can to help animals in need. Some donate, some rescue, some foster, some write to their representatives ... and many here do all. Unfortunately we can't save every animal in need, and seeing these things here also gets me down. I don't even open the links.

However, for those who wish to help in some way...letting them know how and where, via this forum is a good thing, in the grand scheme of things.

So, IMO, the original post is worthwhile ... even if it makes some aware of the practices of some of the shelters out there. Many don't know that some shelters do this. It's educational to those people.

However, I still wouldn't give PETA a second of my time........and even THAT statement (by me and many others) might lead some to question "why?" which is also opening a door to a valuable discussion.

So Tina...you did nothing wrong at all. In fact, maybe quite the opposite!

 

[Erika]

I did send a mass E mail from your post.

 

[pres_nphca]

I did send a mass E mail from your post.

Thank you Erica. I was really just hoping maybe to help in some small way. I think by your mass email, I think I did that.

Thank you so much.

 

[4ondafloor]

I make no apologies for being disgusted by the post. None.
My harshness was not directed at her. It was directed at the article itself. I merely asked why she posted it here. I also told her SHE didn't offend me. The article itself did.
I don't see what purpose it serves to post these things on NN. As I said.."that's just me"
Now that she stated her objective it does paint a different picture, yes. She was trying to be helpful. I get it.
PITA should get ZERO support on this forum. (again, my opinion)
No Tina..you didn't do anything wrong...I just don't care for the post in its entirety but I understand your motive.

 

[ardeagold]

Here's a link to an organization that "watches" PETA and the HSUS. It gives a lot of valuable information to those who might want to contribute to those organizations...and explains why they shouldn't...why the money is better spent on local rescues and humane societies (which are not affiliated with HSUS).

Click on "Library" and you can read article after article about PETA and HSUS's abuse of donations, and much much more:

http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/post/im-a-tibetan-monk-not-a-vegetarian/

 

[4ondafloor]

Here's a link to an organization that "watches" PETA and the HSUS. It gives a lot of valuable information to those who might want to contribute to those organizations...and explains why they shouldn't...why the money is better spent on local rescues and humane societies (which are not affiliated with HSUS).

Click on "Library" and you can read article after article about PETA and HSUS's abuse of donations, and much much more:

http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/post/im-a-tibetan-monk-not-a-vegetarian/

YEP!! Good read.

 

[Charlie'sMom]

I make no apologies for being disgusted by the post. None.
My harshness was not directed at her. It was directed at the article itself. I merely asked why she posted it here. I also told her SHE didn't offend me. The article itself did.
I don't see what purpose it serves to post these things on NN. As I said.."that's just me"
Now that she stated her objective it does paint a different picture, yes. She was trying to be helpful. I get it.
PITA should get ZERO support on this forum. (again, my opinion)
No Tina..you didn't do anything wrong...I just don't care for the post in its entirety but I understand your motive.

I think it is not for anyone but the individual to decide who they will support, PETA, or any other organization.

You don't like them, fine, don't click on the link, but if someone sees something that they feel should be brought to peoples attention, on a dog owners board, as it applies to animal welfare, you have no right at all to make them feel badly. That is not in the spirit of the boards.

She listed PETA clearly in the title - if you object to PETA in general you had the choice to not click the title, nor any of the links in the post.

 

[4ondafloor]

I think it is not for anyone but the individual to decide who they will support, PETA, or any other organization.

You don't like them, fine, don't click on the link, but if someone sees something that they feel should be brought to peoples attention, on a dog owners board, as it applies to animal welfare, you have no right at all to make them feel badly. That is not in the spirit of the boards.

She listed PETA clearly in the title - if you object to PETA in general you had the choice to not click the title, nor any of the links in the post.

Your opinion....and glad you shared it.

I'm not the only one on this forum disgusted with PITA. I've already told her (immediately I might add) that she took my comment too much to heart and that it was directed at the article..not her. To add, she also has every right to post anything she wishes.

How many different ways do you want me to say it?

 

[Charlie'sMom]

I just want to make sure that the OP knows that she is supported in what she posted, and that even if a couple people are uncomfortable, that there are others that have no problem with what she posted, and she shouldn't censor herself. I want to make it clear that even if some don't want to hear about PETA, that others do see their value as far as bringing awareness to cruelty, even if all their methods, and their full platform aren't in the best interests as pet owners.
I don't think that there are many other organizations that have brought light to animal cruelty issues as effectively as PETA has. They do touch many people, and spur people to make changes, even if they are extreme in their ideals.

 

[4ondafloor]

I just want to make sure that the OP knows that she is supported in what she posted, and that even if a couple people are uncomfortable, that there are others that have no problem with what she posted, and she shouldn't censor herself. I want to make it clear that even if some don't want to hear about PETA, that others do see their value as far as bringing awareness to cruelty, even if all their methods, and their full platform aren't in the best interests as pet owners.
I don't think that there are many other organizations that have brought light to animal cruelty issues as effectively as PETA has. They do touch many people, and spur people to make changes, even if they are extreme in their ideals.

See post #6..

Value in PETA? Debatable..They're a bunch of nut cases.
A couple of people who don't support PETA? More than a couple.
Extreme? Peta? Ya think???
Look Jen, we could take this all over the place and back again. Suffice it to say I think we're done here. Maybe the OP would appreciate it if we let her get back to her original objective. I won't apologize for what I said but i certainly will offer her an apology for taking away from her message.
Good on her for wanting to create awareness.

 

[curry]

Why would you even post this?

...that is hardly addressing an article, more like a direct attack.

it was directed at the article..not her.

No one is FORCED to read anything, here or anywhere else.
I think that comments about what others post is uncalled for. Nothing graphic was posted. If you don't like what 's in the news then don't read it.

Some are so quick to jump on people, many times newbies, because of their perceived ignorance or breaking of "unwritten rules," and I think that is EXTREMELY unfair.

...my opinion.

 

[4ondafloor]

...that is hardly addressing an article, more like a direct attack.



No one is FORCED to read anything, here or anywhere else.
I think that comments about what others post is uncalled for. Nothing graphic was posted. If you don't like what 's in the news then don't read it.

Some are so quick to jump on people, many times newbies, because of their perceived ignorance or breaking of "unwritten rules," and I think that is EXTREMELY unfair.

...my opinion.

Really? DO NOT assume that I viewed her as ignorant of anything.
We were all new at one point. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

IN POST #18: I won't apologize for what I said but i certainly will offer her an apology for taking away from her message.
Good on her for wanting to create awareness.