Pet Store Newfie (sorry, long)

Shifty

New member
Well, I was thrown out of my first pet store yesterday! I've always heard the "rules" regarding pup's in the pet store, supply & demand etc., but I've never been personally confronted with the issue until now.

We were shopping yesterday and my father in law called me cell phone & said there was a newfie at the pet store. Wifey & I headed over there and it became a rather rough experience from there on. They had a male newf pup @ 8 wks old, and I must admit he was absolutely beautiful! Jet black with a white blase on the chest and four white socks. I asked to see him and the young girl got him out for me.

They have an exercise pen for the dogs and I kid you not, the walls are probably about 4.5' high. This girl picks up the dog, leans over the wall and drops him!!! Picture an 8 wk old pup in a four foot freefall onto concrete. I was actually in the "I did NOT just see that happen" mode when my wife politely asked "are you an idiot?" I wasn't exactly certain if she was speaking to the girl for dropping the dog or to me for not saying anything.

Anyway, I end up speaking with the manager. I hate to pass judgement on anyone but she was just a FOUL woman, hard as I tried I still cannot find any redeeming qualities about her. She proceeded to attempt to sell me the pup so I played along and started asking all of the questions you would ask your breeder in a "first interview"--hips, elbows, heart, pedigree etc. The majority of my questions were answered with the catch phrase "look how cute he is". I even brought up the drop incident and was informed about how rescilient these young guys are and that it cannot hurt them except in extremely rare cases. then took the manager around to the pen again and asked her if this was a rare case since at 8 weeks old this poor guy is still spending half his time trying to swim with his rear legs & hips rather than walk?....."that's fairly normal, look how cute he is".

We parted ways after I told her that "just because his breeder didn't take the proper responsibilities for this dog doesn't mean that you can't start right now." (no offense to any breeders on this site, I made a judgement call after seeing what I did yesterday)

It got really ugly when a young couple came in 2 minutes later to see this lil guy and I was still standing in the exercise pen with him. (turned out they thought I was working there since I was behind the wall withthe dogs). The young girl was trying to make her sell to the couple and I was cross-examining them at the same time, my guess is that it would have been rather comical from a distance if this little pups future wasn't involved in it.

They asked "how much?"
I asked "do you have a fenced yard?, are you willing to put in the time necessary to properly care for an animal as noble as a Newfoundland? and are you willing to handle all of the necessary annual vet visits as well as any additional expenses that would occur due to medical/health issues?"
They responded "no to the fence & how much would it cost?" to the other two questions and I told them that "I'm sorry but I can't sell you this dog".

I was then asked to leave the premesis by the manager. But Istill stand my ground even a day later..."I can't sell you this dog" (I never said "why" i.e. I'm not an employee of this store ;) )

Anyway, sorry for the ramble/vent but it still disturbs me. My wife cried half the night last night because I wouldn't buy the dog on the spot.
This little pup was as close to pure innocence as you can get, and he's not getting the proper care he needs to develop and that angers me. Even his fur was reeking of urine & feces because of the pen he shared with the other dogs.
Jeannie or Annie if you catch this, do you hve a Newf Rescue contact in southern Ohio/Northern KY I can at least call or email to see if maybe they can help out? If I don't do something today I know by this evening we will go and purchase this dog to get him out of there.

Sorry again for the length and maybe I'm seriously over-reacting but my wife is still upset & angry of this poor guy's future which tends to help me along that same path.
 

Jeannie

Super Moderator
This is a very touchy situation for rescue. There are many heated discussions concerning buying newfs at auctions and pet stores--Are we really saving the dog or helping the puppy mills. It is a bad thing all way around. Annie and anyone else for that matter what do you think? I know it would have been hard to walk out of that store and leave the puppy. Poor baby. :mad: :( :mad: :(
 

Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
Shifty, I'm sending you a private email... with some information. It should go through to your regular email account. But, if you dont' see it, check your mail box here... if you don't know where that is, you can find it by clicking on your profile.
 

Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
I hurt so badly for the puppy, and the 2 of you. I can't bear to look in the pet stores here... I'm like an ostrich, burying it's head in the sand... I'd just rather not know!

I admire how you handled the situation. You two were totally awesome. I wish we could have it on tape... it would be so beneficial to so many people.

I know that alot of people in rescue will go to petstores, when there is a newf puppy "in stock" :(

They spend hours holding and cuddling puppy, trying to socialize it. They try and talk to perspective buyers.... and some even leave educational material about Newfoundlands, in hopes that the management will give it to the new owner. Hopefully, the puppy will end up in a good and loving home.

I've often stated that I'd love to see information given about the nearest regional club, in hopes that the new owners would be eager to get involved... and therefore possibly get some mentoring. However, it's been pointed out by those far wiser than me, that the petstores would used that as a tool, and tell their customers, see, this club is behind us, they support our selling this puppy. That would definitely not be a good thing.

It's the ultimate Catch 22. Who loses? Probably the puppy, and our hearts, because they break a little more each time we have to see this.

I'm going to light a candle for this puppy, and pray that he get's into a wonderful home.
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
I sure hope that the little guy sure finds a good home! I too was thinking along the lines of Karen, as that you should purchase the pup and then find a good home for him.
I hate to think of the poor pups at the pet store and try to avoid them too. But when I go into a store for supplies, even though I promised myself that I will not visit the puppy section, I find myself there anyway just for a "quick peek". But I feel so bad for all the pups and want to take them all home.
I did see a newf pup at one store last year and he was adorable. I was not seriously thinking of adding another dog to the family at the time, so I would go back to the store to visit the little guy in hopes to make his day a little better. Then one day I went and he was gone. I was disappointed that he was not there, since I wanted to visit, but happier that he was out of there and I prayed he was with a loving family. Then when I was leaving the store, there was a big panel truck in the parking lot with the back open. The whole truck was filled with crates full of puppies. It was so frustrating to see! I was glad for all the pups that got purchased and hopefully found a "real" home, but the more that get bought, the more that get shipped in. It is sad vicious cycle that is all about $$$$$!!!
 

Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
The frustrating thing is that if the pet store sells a Newf Puppy, they're going to think... wow, we sold one, maybe we can sell another. And so another Newf Puppy ends up in the store.

It's awful. I hate it. There's no easy solution... I'd want to buy it to. But if I did, and went back a few weeks later to find another there... well... it's all about supply and demand, as Shifty said.
 

ROM Newf

New member
Some of the regional clubs have had success in eliminating Newf puppies from being sold in pet stores. They usually monitor the puppy and situation on a very regular basis and put pressure on the store manager or owner to improve the conditions the puppy is in. Much as we don't want to see it, the longer that puppy is at the store, the less likely the manager is to bring another Newf puppy into the store. That puppy is costing him money every day it's there and if it's there long enough, the price will be reduced which cuts into the profit. Our regional club has, in the past, purchased Newfs from pet stores at the price the pet store paid for the Newf but never for the retail or sale price. I remember reading one NewfTide years ago about a regional club that was picketing a pet store. Seems to me they were successful in getting the store to stop carrying Newfs.
I also have stopped buying anything from pet stores that sell puppies. I've told managers that I would no longer be a customer because they continue to sell puppies and kittens. If enough people boycotted pet stores, it could hurt the retail pet store business.
Contact your regional Newf club and let them know there is a puppy at a particular store- maybe that club will monitor the situation.
Linda
 

GAD

Administrator
Staff member
I'm with Linda on this. There's no way this situation doesn't suck (How's THAT for grammar!)

My heart goes out to the little guy.

There are some Newf-Netter's down that way. I'm sure we'll get the right people involved.

Buying that pup is a dangerous game. Let resuce deal with the store. Maybe they can do some good.

Do please keep us updated.

GAD
 

Laura_Loomis

New member
I regularly check in the pet stores around here to see what's being sold. I have never seen a newf.

I'm in COlumbus, and if some people want to picket the pet store let me know. I've been arrested for such things before, what's one more time.


The question becomes is it a mall store or in a strip mall. Strip malls are easier. In a mall is good for publicity, though. I'm sure the news would love to come out on an animal abuse story about a pet store. Dropped the puppy. Can't walk! All the puppy mill stories get people upset. And I don't think we should limit it to newf people. There are other people out there who'd march, I'm sure.

Laura
 

Erin Marie

Inactive Member
I haven't seen a pet store that sold dogs since I was a teenager. I'm sorry you had to go through that, good for you for standing up for that little guy. I'm glad your were there for him. I would go and get him out. Then get the rescue involved. Why make the poor puppy wait in this kind of situation just to make a point. I don't go into places like that or the animal shelters it breaks my heart and I would own them all. Maybe when I get my 1st million.
 

brady

New member
Shifty good for you! I admire you and your wife for sticking up for this little guy. We have two pet stores in the area, my cousin is the manager of one. He said they get their dogs from breeders not puppy mills (so he says). But he also says no reputable breeder of newfs would allow their pups to go to a pet stores. He also said there is no way they could afford to sell a newf in the store because they couldn't mark up the price enough. The other store is in the mall, the puppies are all cute. But still pathetic. When I was a teenager my parent got me a St. Bernard. They got him from a pet store (this was 35 years ago). But he ended up with hip dyplasia. My parents contacted the store at the time, they told my parent to have the dog euthanized and they would give us another dog. Needless to say Bently lived quite well with his bad hips.
 

ChestersNewfyMom

Inactive Member
i HAVE A QUESTION....I'm glad someone brought all this up. Just recently while in a shopping plaza I decided to go into a store called "Puppies and Kittens" (there are several here in central Fl I dont know how far wide they spread.) I asked if they had Newf pups and the girl said no that they would special order any kind !!! of newf i wanted !! they didnt carry them because they grow so quicklyly that people are afraid to see such big puppies and then they dont sell.
Does anyone have any idea where this chain of stores really gets their dogs? She told me they go thru very reputable breeders , 6 generations background check , health check , and a short vetinary checkup time after pup is bought. I just played stupid and never let on that i owned one....do you think all these little babies are from puppy mills..??
oh and as was mentioned earlier..this place also had those 4 ft high fence areas to "get to know the puppy"
just wondering :confused: :eek: :confused:
 

Elizabeth

New member
There is a store here that also can "order" a newf pup. :mad: They want 900 dollars.
And NO I would never buy one from there!
We now have a law that says pet stores must tell you where they get their dogs from, and I did indeed ask and I did not recognize the breeders.
But I can tell you they were in Missouri, which unfortunately has a lot of puppy mills.

This store has a 1 year guarantee against congenital defects, but of course there are sooo many loopholes with that, as we all know.
They constantly have puppies there, and it breaks my heart. I rarely give them my business, but had to buy a couple newfie collectables.. :rolleyes:

The only way to stop pet stores from selling puppies and kittens is to stop buying.
Anyone familiar with auctions and newfs knows what I mean.

Elizabeth

P.S Chestersmom, the company that most likely supplies the chain of stores in your area is the Hunte Corp.
 

IrishMist428

New member
Don't get me wrong but I feel that the AKC is not adequate in their standards by allowing anyone to register a dog with a pedigree, partly causing puppy mills and pet store sales. We have no standards, regulations, or means to deter it.
My Vet got his Bernie in Switzerland. What he had to go through was very extereme, yet necessary. It is much more controlled in other countries. They have a handle on who is BREEDING and SELLING.
 

ChestersNewfyMom

Inactive Member
just to go back and add a little to what i wrote....
I would NEVER buy from a store...I was just doing some investigating..per say...
I wanted to see what kinds of lines of bull they gave me...
 

Shifty

New member
It's still up in the air right now. My wife & I did not make it back before the store closed.

All I can say at this time is that the local Newf club is involved courtesy of some special people on this site and that their rescue chair has been informed of the situation. It's still too early to see what's going to happen but I still have this bizarre feeling that my wife is going to end up buying some more dog food before the week is over...
 
Do keep us posted on what's going on! All I can do is applaud you for standing up for that puppy who had no one there but you to help. Good for you for saying what needs to be said!
Kelly
 

Shifty

New member
Well, the good news is our little pup is no longer at the pet store. Bad news is we don't know where he is.

A member of the local newf club stopped in to check in on our guy and was told that he had been sold.

For the record this whole affair really sucks. I had decided today that I was just going to go down and buy him period. Either the wife and I would make some changes around the house to allow for a third newfie or I would make sure that he got placed in a good home. I had the vacation day laid in at work tomorrow and everything went kaput tonight.

Actually, the whole affair didn't suck, I did get to see some incredible actions and care put forth by members of this forum. Thank you Annie for all of your help.

My wife & I just hope and pray that Jonah went to a loving, caring home. Oh yea I forgot what really sucks...we named him today when we decided to make the purchase.

Ever have one of those days when you just feel
 
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