First Day at School

slilli

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Today was Emma's first day at doggy school and she made us so proud! She was evaluated by the trainer before we signed up and she got to skip puppy classes as she knew her basic commands so well. I was a little nervous since it was an intermediate class but she did wonderfully! She even did heel really well even though that's not something I have worked on much.. I was such a proud momma and dad even was impressed:allg069::allg069::allg069:
 

Summer

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Great job getting her ready. Isn't is funny how much pleasure we get seeing them do so well. When you put in the work, it shows. You must be doing a fabulous job. Congrats!
 

slilli

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Thank you! My husband and I have put in quite a bit of work but if I'm being honest, Emma learns so very easily.. The #1 command I love and she is always obeys (might take a time or two saying it) is Leave It. Bless her heart, she is such a big girl already and we are still getting used to the idea of having a puppy this size, that sometimes we forget she can get into places our other dogs never even thought of at her age! :ah:
 

slilli

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Emma is 18 weeks. Today was her second class. She did beautifully again and impressed her trainer until we got to the end and tried the heel/walking slowly.. She still wants to pull if she doesn't have a dog walking beside her. The trainer recommended a Martindale collar but I don't want to cause any damage to her throat (right now I use a harness) like I said.. At home she loose leash walks very well when our other dogs are walking too but will pull when we get to Petsmart for class. Any suggestions?

I will say I was so proud of her doing the leave it and come commands. Even with obstacles and people tossing toys in front of her she never wavered but came straight to me and sat so politely every time:allg069:
 

slilli

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Martingale is a step before the all mighty pinch collar.
Sounds like shes a champ at this stuff!!! Go Emma!!!!!
I am impressed at how well she's doing but the pulling when I want her by my side is very important to me. She's going to be the biggest dog I've ever had and pulling just will not do. I know she's young but she's already 55 pounds and I don't want her thinking its okay to pull mom everytime she wants to go say hi to someone and believe me, she wants to tell everyone hello! :)
 

AubreyMo

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I am impressed at how well she's doing but the pulling when I want her by my side is very important to me. She's going to be the biggest dog I've ever had and pulling just will not do. I know she's young but she's already 55 pounds and I don't want her thinking its okay to pull mom everytime she wants to go say hi to someone and believe me, she wants to tell everyone hello! :)
What a good girl!!! That's awesome that she's already doing so well and got to skip the first class. Not many pups (or any) can do that. We ran into the same sorts of things with Moose. Newfs are just so smart that my trainer looked at me one day and said, "you know, sometimes we teach him advanced stuff because we run out of 'jobs' since he aces everything we give him...and I have to keep reminding myself he's just an 8 month old puppy!"

It's your call what you do with pulling...do some testing and research what works best for you. Personally we've been huge fans of the pinch collar (but you have to research or have someone show you how to fit the dog correctly, otherwise you could be causing a big issue and it could hurt the dog or be ineffective). I put it on my leg and jerked it and it doesn't hurt, and Moose has never reacted poorly to it. We gave it a try when the only training lesson Moose couldn't grasp was that he had to stay by me at ALL TIMES, even if someone walked past with another dog, or cute kids were making googly eyes at him. He was 7 months old and 100 pounds at that time and I wish we would have tried it much sooner! Honestly I've only had to "correct" him a few times with it, and now he knows when that goes on, he needs to be on his best behavior. Most on here call it "power steering" for dogs.

If you don't want to try that, something else you could do is take her in a field or large open area and walk briskly in different directions. Give the leash a gentle tug when you turn, and after five minutes or so, she'll be doing ANYTHING to stay by your side because she'll realize that if she doesn't want to be tugged, then she just has to outsmart you by going in the same direction. It also helps solidify the "heel" command. Then when you're out in public and she tries dragging you somewhere, turn around and walk the other way. She'll realize that she has to behave on the leash in order to get the reward of saying hi to the dog/person. Just my 2 cents on what has worked for us, but you'll find your own way and she'll help you :)

Good luck, sounds like you're on the right path and she's doing excellent for her age!! She's just the cutest little thing.
 

slilli

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After doing some research I think I will give the Martingale collar a try and hopefully Emma will come to associate the collar with "No pulling" I was just worried about damaging her throat but the pulling really only seems to be a problem when walking through a store or around lots of people and dogs. On our daily walks she is fine even if we see other people and animals. I think she just gets overly excited at Petsmart because so many people want to love on her and she doesn't understand when mom won't let them. :)
 

ElvisTheNewf

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Why are you worried about damaging her throat? Is it because you have a Boston? Remember these guys are very strong and pretty darn hearty. We've used some type of collar on Elvis since the day he came home, and eventually made the switch to the prong after his trainer recommended it.

*PS - love the avatar! Elvis chews on the wings of his dragon too!
 

robertjt

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Prong collar

On the recommendation of our trainer, we switched Scuba and Diver to a prong collar. The pulling stopped on the first walk. The difference is remarkable.
 

slilli

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Why are you worried about damaging her throat? Is it because you have a Boston? Remember these guys are very strong and pretty darn hearty. We've used some type of collar on Elvis since the day he came home, and eventually made the switch to the prong after his trainer recommended it.

*PS - love the avatar! Elvis chews on the wings of his dragon too!
I guess some of my wariness is from having my Boston and he would almost choke himself out before we changed to a chest halter for him. Emma and her harness are now like having a bulldozer at times. I kept telling myself that I could teach her not to pull using a harness but now I realize I need some different equipment. I'm going to try the Martingale and see how that goes in her next class. I'll have her trainer show me how to fit and use it properly.

Oh and Emma loves her dragon too but sadly due to a malicious game of tug-o-war it no longer has wings..:whistling: but she still plays with it daily and the detached wings! That's what she usually teases Mia with :)
 

shellyk

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Our puppy Ziva starts her first puppy manners class this week and I will ask them to fit her for a prong collar. We went through obedience to CGC with our Lab and he still pulls with his regular collar but as soon as I put the prong collar on him he stops. It doesn't hurt him - it just tells him what is expected. The puppy at 17 weeks & 50 pounds can already pull harder than the 3 year old 95 pound lab!
 

YorkvilleNewfie

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After doing some research I think I will give the Martingale collar a try and hopefully Emma will come to associate the collar with "No pulling" I was just worried about damaging her throat but the pulling really only seems to be a problem when walking through a store or around lots of people and dogs. On our daily walks she is fine even if we see other people and animals. I think she just gets overly excited at Petsmart because so many people want to love on her and she doesn't understand when mom won't let them. :)
Really, there's no need to worry with a martingale. Think of the Greyhound or the Borzoi or even a Whippet...they have very delicate thoats and that's ALL you can put on them. Actually, a nylon 1 inch flat collar (the standard collar sold everywhere) exerts more pressure per square inch than a martingale. With a martingale, the pressure is spread out over a larger surface area...so, technically speaking, they're safer than your basic nylon collar.

Also, unless you're using a harness designed specifically to address pulling, you're actually helping her pull more effectively. Think of Huskies competing in the Iditarod. They pull with harnesses. It spreads out weight distribution on the dogs bodies and provides the dogs with more leverage! Ix-nay on the basic walking harness for a puller!
 
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jm513

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Really, there's no need to worry with a martingale. Think of the Greyhound or the Borzoi or even a Whippet...they have very delicate thoats and that's ALL you can put on them. Actually, a nylon 1 inch flat collar (the standard collar sold everywhere) exerts more pressure per square inch than a martingale. With a martingale, the pressure is spread out over a larger surface area...so, technically speaking, they're safer than your basic nylon collar.

Also, unless you're using a harness designed specifically to address pulling, you're actually helping her pull more effectively. Think of Huskies competing in the Iditarod. They pull with harnesses. It spreads out weight distribution on the dogs bodies and provides the dogs with more leverage! Ix-nay on the basic walking harness for a puller!
I had to laugh at the Ix-nay comment:roflmao:. I remember my mother telling me that I needed a harness for Jedi to get his pulling under control. :confused: Our best guess is that he has more husky than anything else....and you are suggesting I get a what now??? :roflmao::roflmao:

prongs are great!
 

YorkvilleNewfie

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I had to laugh at the Ix-nay comment:roflmao:. I remember my mother telling me that I needed a harness for Jedi to get his pulling under control. :confused: Our best guess is that he has more husky than anything else....and you are suggesting I get a what now??? :roflmao::roflmao:

prongs are great!
I know, my parents have a Husky and they were having the hardest time with her pulling issues, so I went over to their house to help, assessed the situation and the situation was that she was wearing a harness and walking on a retractable leash :run:
 

AubreyMo

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I know, my parents have a Husky and they were having the hardest time with her pulling issues, so I went over to their house to help, assessed the situation and the situation was that she was wearing a harness and walking on a retractable leash :run:
Awful combination! I hate hate hate retractable leashes. Even with my wiener dog, it's the pits. I've had the leash drop before and it went zooming after him...and he was running terrified from it. It's like the perpetual motion bulldog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_WKmopoN50

A martingale collar is much safer than a choke collar because it doesn't cinch all the way down on their trachea. I still prefer the prong but it's all we've tried...and because of it's immediate results. He went from crazy, 100 pound I've-got-to-go-say-hi-to-this-dog puller, to well behaved gentlemen. And he knows when I put it on it means business and that I expect him to behave nicely, so he does, and he rarely ever needs a (soft) correction on it.
 

slilli

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Yeah.. I agree that the harness is only helping her pull. I used a gentle leader on our lab and it worked great but Emma freaked when we tried one on her. I am purchasing a Martingale tomorrow. We'll see how that goes and if I need to, we'll move on to a prong. I've just never used them before so I'll admit they made me a little nervous but I realize the harness is only making the pulling worse and a regular flat collar causes her to choke and gag. It's a learning process for both of us. Thanks for all the advice! It is much appreciated :)
 
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