E-Z Ups, what do you use?

Cascadians

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What do you use for quick put-up shelters for training?

I thought I was all done buying gear, whole house giant tack room for Orka, but
NNOOOOOO ...

Local club sent out 1st pre-water training workshop requirements, must have a bunch of stuff including crate and EZ-Up.

What do you use for quick outside shelter for training?
 

Capri

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Something that is:
-easy to put up!! (pop up?)
-fits in your car & light enough to carry to the trainings
-won't break with the first winds/rains of the year (=sturdy metal poles & good quality tent material)
-with sides ! (would hate to move every few hours according to where the sun is)
-all sides MUST open (ventilation)
-good anchors to the ground!! (buy separately!)
 

Cascadians

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OK, just did a bunch of research, talked to E-Z Up customer service, looks like the best deal is this:

http://www.amazon.com/Commercial-In...4BAU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1329507992&sr=8-3
10' x 10' Commercial E-Z UP Instant shelter with 4 zippered sides
$250

plus ordering 4 weight sand bags for extra wind protection.

"10 feet length x 10 feet width instant shelter, Sets up in seconds , Fold up 5 ft. long - fits in most trunks , Ideal for commercial or recreational use (small business, craft shows, tailgate parties, picnics, camping, outdoor sporting events) . Commercial grade DuraLast top , Provides 99% UV protection, Water resistant , New seam seal water protection , CPAI-84 fire rated top and sidewalls , Commercial grade Aluma-Steel powder coated frame , Lighter than comparable all-steel frame canopies , Anti-corrosion aluminum legs , 3-position adjustable legs , Includes name banner, awning, stakes and deluxe roller bag , 4 zippered polyester Dura-Lon sidewalls . Middle zipper access in 1 sidewall . Roll-up feature on all sidewalls . No loose parts; no tools required."
 

wrknnwf

Active member
If you are only using this for water training, I don't think you need to spend hundreds of dollars. Our club buys pop up tents at Dicks Sporting goods. About $70.00. They work just as well as the more expensive brands for something like this activity. And most of the 50 plus vendors at our Dogtober Fest use the same type. I only know of one or two people who use the really expensive EZ-up tents.

It usually takes at least two people to erect a pop up tent easily. We usually help each other. Some tents have sides and some don't so be sure to check if you want that option, but you can also improvise with velcro and some kind of fabric. Be sure to check the weight on your tent. Some are pretty heavy.

Our club does not require tents or crates, but you do have to have a way to safely secure your dog when he's not working. Many Newfs are distressed when their owners are helping others train or when someone is pretending to drown, so a safe method of containing them is crucial.

Most of us use wire crates, but some use x-pens, which a really upset dog could knock over or jump over. And you need to be able to provide shade. Most of us have beach umbrellas that we can move as the sun does. Others have the cloth crates, but you have to have a pretty calm dog to trust him in one of those and they aren't as well ventilated.

I will say that if you use a metal crate, it is going to rust and be full of sand which will ruin the paint. Eventually, you will be replacing the metal clasps that hold the sides together and after a while, you will dedicate that crate to water training only. LOL. That's why I have different crates for home, show and outside activities.

Cripes, I could have built a mansion with all the money I've spent on my Newfs. But then, a house will never greet you like your dog will or snuggle with you at night.
 

Angela

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I have an E-Z Up that I bought in Wa state, cost around $100.
10' 10', but it doesn't have sides. I have some donated shade cloth I peg onto the sides if it's needed.
 

ArtfulCharm

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I have an ez-up (basic 10x10 no sides) I got on craigslist for $50, barely used. I did have to search for quite a while though. You can buy shade cloths from Pet Edge or at a dog show, or some people just use old sheets, and clamp it to the frame.

I was always able to share shade with someone, but I really wanted one for shows and working events. Since I got it though, I have only used it a couple times, and even then I didn't really need it. For some training locations you will need to bring your own shade, but if you don't want to spend the money on a pop-up yet, there is usually plenty of space under other people's, or you could get a sun unbrella or a shade cloth to drape over your crate (if its not too hot). A crate is a necessity, but I don't think a pop-up really is, more of a nice-to-have. Of course nice-to-haves usually end up becoming a necessity in our minds :)

Also, I could put it up by myself if I am strong enough, but its sooo much easier with 2 people. There is one spot in each corner when its almost up but you have to push really hard to get it to snap in place. I can do it by myself, but only when I'm in shape, and it is hard! If you just have someone holding the other corner still while you do it though, it is super easy, just pops right in!
 

Cascadians

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Jane oh boy do I hear you about the money. To think I was worried about the initial puppy cost. Infinitesimal compared to the ongoing, maintenance, training etc. The raw meat diet alone is far more than I spend on myself. Thank goodness Lynn makes decent money and just got a raise yesterday.

We went ahead and ordered the E-Z Up from Amazon linked above, super good deal, has roll up and ventilated zipper sides, one wall zippered also down the middle for entry/exit. White, ugh, will soon be camo brown with shaken mud and floooger texture.

The way the pre-water training instructions are worded, it is abundantly obvious the newbie owners are being thoroughly vetted and auditioning for acceptance into an elite club. You bring what is required or sayonara. Figure we are doing so much with Orka out in the wild this canopy will come in handy. We're too busy now to make our own paneling, easier to just buy whole package that fits together.

The crate, ouch, yes I imagined it and realized it will be trashed and will have to be a training crate only. We already have a 48" metal one in our dining room under the dining table. Orka did not need to be crate trained but he loves his crate "sanctuary" and eats in there, also runs to it whenever we are messing with him in new ways he does not like. That is pristine and will stay there. Will get an identical one for water, drafting, agility etc training excursions.

Problem is we're going to need a bigger car. We have a Jeep Liberty Lynn bought new for cash in 2003, perfect shape, well maintained. Great for muddy rocky mountain roads. But small SUV. Can barely fit Orka's cart plus Orka in it, certainly cannot fit his wagon and him in there. Or piles of gear.

Orka is not interested if folks screaming for help out in the water. He ignores it utterly. He seems to know if anybody actually needs help. Once he was on a dock and there was a boat of ppl who lost their balance and started screaming and he ran to investigate, went all the way around that boat anxiously. But they were OK so he left. Only time he's brought a person to shore spontaneously was at the Clackamas River last summer, tons of ppl, little girl was snorkling under water and he dove in, circled around her, gently took her arm and brought her to shore. She thought it was fantastic.

E-Z Up lady said to put the thing together next weekend in our driveway, no wind, have to attach top, get familiar with it, takes 2 hours, read instructions carefully. We're also going to silicone spray the canopy as extra rain protection. After this initial assembly it only takes 3 minutes with 2 ppl to put up. She definitely recommends 2 ppl. We'll help others with theirs.

Summers here are way too hot and dry, and every other time is raining :)
 

Capri

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You won't necessarily need a crate for Orka for the water (at least not to start with) as you're always 2 ppl there. One can hold Orka while the other helps with stuff. That way you won't need to invest in a 2nd crate to start with, but can wait to see if the trainings are good (ie if you're staying there) and worth getting a crate for when you need to or must put Orka to the side.
 

ArtfulCharm

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I say a crate is a necessity because I come by myself usually (and with the dog of course). But the way our training works, there are people helping us when its our turn to work, and when its someone elses turn I will help. We always need someone to go out and be a drowner, decoy/floater, to hand equipment, row the boat, etc. I use a soft crate, much easier to lug around and some spots we train at there is no way I could get my heavy wire crate out there. I just wash the pad frequently and blow the sand and dirt out of the crate after it dries (I leave it set up outside to dry when I get home).

Some people use tie-out stakes too. I got one to use this year as they are very handy. The park we train at has one beach we can use during the week that is close to the parking lot, but the one we use on the weekend we have to hike to. If I get there early enough I can send my stuff on the boat, but if not I have to pack it all down the trail :) I'm not using a crate in that situation! The stake will be perfect in those cases.

Also at water tests (which I know you two will be doing!) you will want to be able to put him somewhere he can rest while you wait for your turn, cheer on your friends, eat lunch, etc. They are long days, and somehow so tiring even though your turn takes all of about 10-15 min and the rest of the time you are just sitting around. They are mentally exhausting for dog and human, but so worth it!
 

Cascadians

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Yeah I don't think we need a crate either, just more stuff to lug, but the instructions say explicitly the dogs MUST be crated, no exceptions, or goodbye.

Lynn took the day off because she will be gone for the weekend so she's using the iMac and I'm using my old nearly defunct laptop. When I can use the iMac I'll post the instructions. They are quite adamant and it's heavily slanted toward:

Come and let us see if you are acceptable. Your Newf, if well obedience trained, is probably OK but you the owner had better come prepared, on time, with all necessary gear, be adept, be helpful, know exactly how to follow instructions etc. It cracked us up and made us really spend time deciding whether we are committed enough to spend the money and become what they expect. I've never fit in anywhere so I doubt they'll accept me but Lynn is A+ wherever she goes.

If I were not so determined to do every type of water training so I can kayak from Washington to Alaska with Orka, I would not bother with this.

Need another house, another car, another garage to hold all the dog stuff and gear we've bought to "realize his full potential" LOL
 

Cascadians

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Oh yeah where can I buy a muscular athletic pool boy? This stuff is HEAVY !!!

Not to mention prep time, homework, training, practicing, the potluck cooking, etc and driving for hours to get there.

The best training we've had is late at night at the Delta in summer. Dog. Me. Nothing and nobody else. Throw off clothes, jump in river, nothing but water and swimming and working on commands, bumper on floating line. Flowing water and stars and happiness swimming and being towed shore to shore by this magnificent beast.
 

blaue_augen

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Problem is we're going to need a bigger car. We have a Jeep Liberty Lynn bought new for cash in 2003, perfect shape, well maintained. Great for muddy rocky mountain roads. But small SUV. Can barely fit Orka's cart plus Orka in it, certainly cannot fit his wagon and him in there. Or piles of gear.
Cascadians, maybe one of those trailers you tow behind the car would work to carry your extra stuff? You'd have to be comfortable driving with one, but it should be cheaper than a new car (especially since your current one is still working great). You wouldn't have the increased gas milage a bigger car would require (even if your gas milage goes up with the trailer, you wouldn't always have to have the trailer hooked up). I'm not sure if there are safety issues with having a trailer? And I am definitely not implying to put Orka in the trailer. If the Jeep is getting small for just Orka, then the trailer would not help.
 

LaughingSea

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A trailer and a Sherpa I say! Orka fits fine in the Jeep and with all water gear. The EZ up added to that won't be a problem either. Only trouble with car size is when we've hauled his cart. Orka and the cart fit but it's cramped and he is relegated to a little space by the rear window/door or squeezing up the side a bit and that's just a short trip to work with no other gear/supplies for a day's outing somewhere. Never towed a trailer before -- shouldn't be a problem except for backing up.... would have to learn how to do that or just unhook and rehook-up after maneuvering. Anyway - not a problem with water training at all --- just the carting -- too bad the cart can't be towed! LOL
 
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Angela

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If I were not so determined to do every type of water training so I can kayak from Washington to Alaska with Orka, I would not bother with this.

Need another house, another car, another garage to hold all the dog stuff and gear we've bought to "realize his full potential" LOL
Leska, are you really thinking of kyaking from Washington to Alaska with him? That would be a major enormous undertaking!
 

Cascadians

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Yes, May June July August September. Will take a few years, very long distance. Looks like we'll end up in a custom made boat. Nothing out there yet for touring with a big Newf.

He is named after this dream, to start in Puget Sound and kayak the Washington and BC marine trails, amongst the Orcas, all the way up thru Alaska, most beautiful places on Earth.

Next year if all the training goes as planned we'll do the entire Willamette trail and Columbia trail and San Juan tours as training paddles :)
 

R Taft

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Oh yeah where can I buy a muscular athletic pool boy? This stuff is HEAVY !!!

Not to mention prep time, homework, training, practicing, the potluck cooking, etc and driving for hours to get there.

The best training we've had is late at night at the Delta in summer. Dog. Me. Nothing and nobody else. Throw off clothes, jump in river, nothing but water and swimming and working on commands, bumper on floating line. Flowing water and stars and happiness swimming and being towed shore to shore by this magnificent beast.
I have a thing with two wheels that is a version of a trolley (wheels are larger) I put everything on it and off we go. Annabelle pulls the cart with lots of junk on it. When we arrive at places. I also use it at shows, gives people a laugh to see Annabelle tow it in......And we stake our dogs

Why not get a trailer for the junk and keep the car for you guys and Orka. it means you can leave the trailer packed for every weekend, it is what we do. Our canoe lives on top of the trailer. We have some spare time and we hitch the trailer and go....We can fit tonnes of stuff and even some dog if they are really wet or muddy.

Pot luck cooking in Summer, I buy whole chickens (cooked) and cut in eight pieces and just toss salads.I hate cooking in Summer.

Just count yourself lucky..you have people to train with and guide you. I am here alone with my Judi Adler Book.
Mind you we now have some labradors, one newfie and a bernese Mountain dog, just because they saw us training...Sadly we are off the training for a while
 

Cascadians

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Trailer suggestion is excellent. We do not have room to store a trailer but will find a place to rent one. Not into renting but simply have run out of room. Have to find out how it is hooked up, how the lights work etc, and Lynn says she has to learn how to back it up.

I'm spatially challenged but don't see how we can fit a cooler, crate, E-Z Up, chairs, gear, supplies, etc plus Orka in the Jeep, even with everything flattened. The trainings are usually a bit out in the boonies and one has to bring meals to not waste time going out to look for food.

I do read all the car threads and mull the day I've learned to drive, get my license and possibly we buy another car. Want a huge empty shell that I can customize for maximum Newf & gear transport but that is expensive. Want it to be able to go on muddy boonie roads.

Ronnie it was seeing Judi Adler in the river here with a bunch of Newfs and owners doing water training, around 1990, that struck me so hard I never forgot and has led to this day, learning the ropes for my 1st group experience :) Wish she were not retired; wish I knew then. Should have just dived in right there on the spot. Sometimes one has to seize dreams the second they materialize. Thank God she has written the books.
 

Cascadians

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Instructions (daunting for a newbie but we'll do it)

OK, here are the instructions we've received thus far. To me they are soaking in "Audition the humanimals." I am giving it my all, trying to comply with everything.

" PRE-WATER TRAINING WORKSHOP FOR JUNIOR LEVEL NEWFOUNDLANDS

WHEN: Sunday, March 11
WHERE: Horseshoe Lake Park, Woodland, WA
WHAT TIME: 9:00AM

WHO SHOULD COME?: Whether you have trained a dog for water rescue or not; you should feel welcome to come to this workshop if you have a dog who is just starting water training.

IS THERE A PRICE?: Yes; each person pays $5.00 (one dog per person limit). All $ collected is donated to the PNNC water test. Future water training workshops will alternate both locations and whether the proceeds go to the NCS or the PNNC water tests.

WHAT KIND OF TRAINING WILL BE OFFERED?:
*Dogs and puppies will learn Take/hold/give & carry reliably if they already hold on command
*We will offer the start of basic control, such as is required at a water test
*The dogs will learn the basics of the Take a Line exercise without the line…and on land. This will transfer very well to water training later on, with the dogs understanding what the exercise is about long before water is added to the equation.
*We will have a boat on the grass so that the dogs and puppies can learn to interact with a boat steward. Junior level dogs who retrieve may take a bumper from the steward.
*Dogs can learn to climb up on a boat platform under control, turn and sit; also under control, and to leave the platform on command with the boat sitting right on the grass.
*Everyone will learn what equipment is necessary to have their dogs in a water test.
*All owners will learn to steward for other dogs so that they are more likely to be included in established training sessions once water season begins. Owners who have value to offer to other people and their dogs are more easily included in training sessions.

WHAT SHOULD EACH PERSON BRING?:
*If you have a retrieving bumper, life jacket, knotted rope and long line; please bring them. If not; this first session there will be items that can be borrowed. All future training workshops will require trainers to bring their own equipment.
*All dogs must have a crate to stay in when their owners are helping other dogs. A secure crate is necessary for all water training. Please bring a crate with you to the first workshop. If you have an ez-up for shelter in case of rain, please feel free to bring that with you as well.
*Please bring treats that your dog will consider delicious….and plenty of them. Most beginning training is taught with food, to keep the dogs interested and motivated. Baggies of cut up treats, or small containers with lids work best. Please do not underestimate the power of a food motivation.
*Please bring drinking water from home and a dish for your dog.
*Please plan for rain…rainproof coat, hat, gloves, boots are essential, as well as towels to wipe hands.
ALL ARE WELCOME; but advance registration is requested."


"Good evening!
I'm so looking forward to your attendance at the workshop planned for your arrival at 9:00am on Sunday, 3/11. I thought I would take this opportunity to go over some pointers and answer some questions:

*Is there anything that I can do with my dog to prepare for the workshop? YES! Here are some suggestions for you. They are only suggestions:
1. figure out your dog's very favorite treat and plan ahead what quantity there is no chance you would run out of on workshop day. Better yet; plan for 2 different kinds!
2. go shopping. in person or on line. Heading to a Target, Fred Meyer or Wallmart is a fine idea. Try looking for a child size orange life jacket and a square boat cushion. If you decide to do water training, you will need this equipment. The life jacket you ultimately use can be child size, junior size or adult size of any style. Plan to devote this set for cheap play with your dog. It's ok if it gets trashed as part of the fun.
You can look for small boat bumpers (retrieving dummies) if you like. However, I STRONGLY encourage purchasing the SOFT plastic or soft canvas ones in a pretty small size (or at least not huge). They are easier to grip. Unsure of what to get? No problem, I will have some retrieving bumpers with me for sale at $7.00 each, which reimburses me for the order and postage. I might also have some knotted ropes with very short lines for use as practice knotted ropes for sale if I can find time to make some ahead of time.
Lastly, go ahead and see if you can google the Dog Works website to check out the water training equipment that is required for the junior and senior level titles (just for fun). You don't have to buy anything you don't want to at this point. It's really ok if you wait to see if you and your dog enjoy the pre-water practice or decide this is not your cup of tea.
3. consider joining an obedience class in your area. Any advance obedience skill sets will help you to get ready for water training. There is a lot of attention and responding to commands that is required to actually earn a water title. I never minimize the impact of at least a few sessions of obedience training.
4. practice having your dog or puppy rest quietly after exercise around you and your family in a crate. Those dogs and puppies who wait quietly for their turns at water work while you help other people with their dogs get invited to join small group training sessions all summer. It's harder for dogs to be accepted at summer organized training if they bark and carry on if you are away from their crates temporarily. Practice this skill after they have had their exercise, attention, maybe dinner as well. A crate set up next to you in the TV room and a chew toy or peanut butter filled kong can help to settle the dog some.
5. Make a list of what to bring to the workshop so nothing gets left behind. The items in the original flyer are still those required. You can borrow actual equipment and a long line; but you must have a crate, the water to drink that your dog is used to (and dish), your own training treats, and suitable attire for yourself with consideration for rain and slick or muddy grass. If you can borrow or bring an ez-up; that would be lovely. Or, plan to share with others. There may be room in the ez up that other people bring. Or, you can tarp your crate. Please bring lawn chairs, doggie bags for pick up after your dogs, and collars that allow you control with your dog (and that your dog cannot slip out of).
Here are additional comments:

*We will be set up along the back of the garage building to the left of the boat launch (also next to the horseshoe pits). We will not be going into the lake. This will be land work. However, setting up this close to the road will make it easier for us to get the boat off the trailer and onto the grass where we can use it as a prop.
*We will start promptly at 9:15. That allows 15 min for set up for each family, registration, payment of your $5 (cash or checks payable to PNNC). If you consider that it might take longer for you to get set up and ready to go; please plan to come earlier than 9:00. There will be an area for set up of an obedience ring, the boat, etc. prior to 9:00. Please set up along the back of the garage wall and closer to the road in one "tent city" line. That gives us maximum area to set up the workshop stations.
*this is an "on leash" park. The fine for letting the dogs run off leash is $100 and expulsion from the park. I will have long lines for use when the dogs are doing distance work. The police department patrols the park on behalf of the city of Woodland and animal control. They have authority to issue fines.
*feel free to bring snacks, a sandwich and/or beverages for yourselves. We may not end until lunch time.
*Horseshoe Lake Park is reached by GPS or Mapquest. Taking the Woodland exit from Portland, go to the bottom of the exit and turn left, going under the freeway. You will have seen the lake from the freeway before you took the exit. Keep going after you cross under the freeway till you come to the entrance of the park on the left; but please obey the 25mph signs.
If you are coming from the north; you still take the Woodland exit; but stay on that road past the McDonalds on your right, small motels and car dealerships and ultimately come to a light/crossroads. Go right and the park is just ahead to your left.

Just one more thing: Please remember to guard the personal space of each of the dogs and puppies. We are expecting a large group of people and dogs. If there are any dog altercations, we will have to ask participants to leave the workshop. We sincerely want this to be a good time for everyone, and we would hate for problems between dogs to occur. Please do not plan to allow the dogs to freely interact with one another. Keeping the dogs close to you, rather than running around at the end of the leash when near the other dogs is best. Be aware of where other dogs are in proximity to yours. We even encourage a little distance between the puppies. We want them to focus on people at the workshop, rather than with each other. People may freely let the dogs play with one another when the session is over if you like.

I so look forward to meeting each of you and your wonderful Newfoundlands. We should all have a wonderful time training together."
 
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