Dog Show Gripe./......

[Marthas Vineyard Newfie]

What a sorry thing that would be for a owner to go to such an extreme thing, as to get their dog a face-lift...gezzz, I am getting older, and I wouldn't even think about getting one for myself Karen..your daughter seems like she will be able to rise above the nonsense that goes on in the show ring..I hope she does well, maybe she can set an example to the Adults there, to act like the mature people they are suppose to be..I wonder if these cut-throat handlers are teaching their children to continue how to use their bad habits in the show ring

 

[robandrobin]

The problems with the peke were decided it was throat surgery.

I don't really know, but think of it this way:

If it really was an honest mistake of ooops forgot to mention the throat surgery, and everything is on the up and up,
then everything being reported, complained about, and harrassing is all due to flat out jealousy. Poor sportsmanship. That too is a sad thought. Even though I think it's time for the bigger boys/gals to win.

Robin

 

[Bluedog]

Hmmmm, if it was throat surgery and not surgery to enhance performance or change appearance, than all the hubbub sounds like sour grapes to me.

As per Joan's post the rules seem pretty thorough. If he had an elogated soft palate resection, as some purport on Showdogs-L, the correction would be a DQ (see item #4). If indeed it was throat surgery, at first glance, that doesn't seem to be reason for DQ. However, as Joan pointed out, European or International rules and guidelines may be different. Ah, the trials and tribulations in the sport.

Karen, it sounds like your daughter has a handle on dealing with some less than polite people. I do think she will have some very possitive and rewarding experiences to outway the negative. She should do fine. Good luck in the ring!

[ 04-04-2003, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: Bluedog ]

 

[janices]

According to article in USA Today Danny, the peke, was cleared.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2003-03-31-doggie-face-lift_x.htm

 

[brendapiepiorka]

karen,
I meant to post before on your daughter. She is a beautiful girl and I love the fact that her and her boyfriend are free spirited enough to enjoy the arts ! Good luck to her but I don't think she'll need it!
Brenda and Maggie

 

[owner handler]

Dear Sarne Newf:

Have you considered the following:

1) There were 4 (2 dogs and 2 bitches) specials in the ring along with you dog and winners-bitch in the ring that day. Three of the four specials ended the year in the NCA top twenty! The fourth special that took the breed the next day is a very nice up and coming special.

2) Would you consider that maybe you were a little close considering the newf in front of you free baits and free stacks on its own and doesn't need to hand stack?

3) Would you also consider that the other exhibitor had two choices, ask you to move or risk backing his newf into your 9 -12 month puppy. You may have left the exhibitor in a situation where they had no room to move. Maybe the exhibitor didn't wish risk spooking your puppy.

4)When ASKED to move you did back up, about six inches. The normal reply in the ring is, "is that enough room, not to get upset with the other exhibitor when they ask for more room as your still crowding them.

5) If you believe the other exhibitor said something to you to apologize, you might be mistaken. Would you consider for a moment that they were trying to explain their Newf free baits and free stacks, much like a golden does and therefore needed more room to work then was given. Crowding others in the ring is impolite, especially when 75% of the ring was available. However, in your defense the person with the winner's bitch was crowding you some, too. Exhibitors sometimes do that purposely. The next day you did give the other exhibitor a little more room and they appreciated that.

6) Did you consider when you verbally out at the other exhibitor they started speaking to you near the superintendent's table because the AKC representative was there and they didn't wish to have the same problem in the ring the next day.

7)Basically, it wouldn't hurt to ask the person with winners bitch to move back some so you could allow the other person to have more room if they think they need it. Further, it is the polite thing in the ring to do.

 

[sarnewfie]

Dearest owner handler you are wrong, and i expect you to stick up for this person after all true colors, i could not back up there was a dog in back of me and i was boxed in as everyone else, whatever else you have to say is true to color and wrong, it is on video tape and everyone who saw it agreed with me, and also other big names who saw what happened.
no you are wrong.DIDNT WANT TO RISK SPOOKING MY PUPPY???? he DID!!! he WAS backing his girl into my pups chest!!! LOL what a joke, yup i see some have some feathers ruffled from my post, good, i hope this person improves on his showring etiquette becouse he truly needs it.
and this will stay on my website and i will no longer recommend this person. he did not """"ASK"""" he was """NOT POLITE""" but was a total hot headed, rude, inconsiderate and i could go on, harrassing attitude besides, no he was harrassing me on purpose.
Anyone freestacking that i have been in the ring with did NOT REQUIRE HALF THE RING IN ORDER TO SHOWCASE THEIR DOG
APOLOGY?!
NOT there was not an apology, esp when it starts out with i am sorry BUT YOU WERE .....
whatever, why dont you post your name?
"""Did you consider when you verbally out at the other exhibitor they started speaking to you near the superintendent's table because the AKC representative was there and they didn't wish to have the same problem in the ring the next day"""
HUH?????
i was told by many he would come looking for me to start harrasment some more, and sure enough he did, and i dont understand your question in this one, he is the one who was verbally harrasing me, and all frazzled like a rooster whose feathers were ruffled becouse he lost the prize.
One more thing, if this person cant handle the pressure of showing, and falls apart as was so obvious, than he should hire someone to handle his dogs for him, he makes everyone around him miserable, it was obvious the next day that many were intimidated by him and were all staying in the corner while he showcased and had half the matt to showcase his newf.
not correct, not right, and doesnt deserve excuses report him??? yeah right, and than you are blacklisted and hated by the showworld even more. LOL
As far as paragraph number one, what does that have to do with anything????
they were not at the back of the line.
One more thing, this hot headed man was running off at the mouth when he came into the ring, from that moment on, and did not let up, he DID NOT ASK ANYTHING HE HARRASSED AND VERBALLY ABUSED ANOTHER EXHIBITOR

[ 04-18-2003, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: sarnewfie ]

 

[owner handler]

Dear Sanenewf:

Thank-you for sharing YOUR prospective. Again, as was previously stated, normally if someone asks for more room in a ring and it available, the polite reponse is to MOVE, even if it means asking the person behind you to move. I believe if you turned the corner, there was plenty of room to back up.

Have you considered the possibility that the person involved had just been in the ring for winners class and had to go get their special? When they returned WD and WB were already stacked and there wasn't enough room for their dog?

As for the exhibitor falling apart in the ring, the judge that judged the breed also judged the group that day. The Newfoundland BOB winner also won the group.

 

[sarnewfie]

HUH??? again i dont understand what you are talking about, i was boxed in i could not turn the corner.
and your last paragraph??? this person did not win breed.
and yes it is my perspective and others who witnessed what happened, and again he did NOT ASK he VERBALLY ABUSED AND HARRASED
there was room, and again i was boxed in. that is no excuse for what he did.
none.
period.

 

[Marthas Vineyard Newfie]

Well this is interesting.. Owner Handler just became a member yesterday, and there are only 2 replies by him/her directed at SarNewfie and that particular show.. they had to had been there too.
Seeing as this post began on April 2nd, it looks like Owner Handler was ""LEAD"" to this forum, to debate this Gripe.. there are many forums, and who knows how Owner Handler found SarNewfie, but I do know one thing, the Internet is not as hugh as people think it is..if it were me, I would drop this topic fast, all this anger about the show-ring handlers and judges,etc. might come back to haunt you in future shows...just a thought

 

[owner handler]

Dear Sane Newf:

No biggie, just ask the person that was handling winners bitch if they could move back because the person in front of you needs more room.

Best of luck in the show ring.

 

[sarnewfie]

Thanx owner handler and i appreciate that, and we will have to agree to disagree, and marthas vineyard, nothing will come back to haunt me.
i am not worried one bit, i have been involved in the showing for a very long time, i do not need to be coached by someone who has never shown. though i do appreciate the thoughts i thought long and hard before i wrote up my experience that happened in all my years of showing never have i experienced something like that.
Good luck to owner handler in future endeavers.

[ 04-18-2003, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: sarnewfie ]

 

[Marthas Vineyard Newfie]

Gezzzzz, SARNewfie, don't need to be soooo mean spirited

You are correct, I have never been in the show ring, and I have NO intention ever showing... but I personally think the way one uses their choice of wording, can be a little more polished

 

[sarnewfie]

LOL martha, you really need to read what i wrote, nothing was mean spirited, do you know what
"i appreciate the thoughts" means?
nothing mean about that, i was polite.
owner handler, do you know you put
"sane newf" as my name

just kidding. i am sure it was a mistake!

 

[Marthas Vineyard Newfie]

Originally posted by sarnewfie:
Thanx owner handler and i appreciate that, and we will have to agree to disagree, and marthas vineyard, nothing will come back to haunt me.
i am not worried one bit, i have been involved in the showing for a very long time, i do not need to be coached by someone who has never shown. though i do appreciate the thoughts i thought long and hard before i wrote up my experience that happened in all my years of showing never have i experienced something like that.
Good luck to owner handler in future endeavers.

 

[sarnewfie]

Martha, you are wasting space.

[ 04-18-2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: sarnewfie ]

 

[Marthas Vineyard Newfie]

Originally posted by Marthas Vineyard Newfie:
[QB]

Originally posted by sarnewfie:
[qb]
i do not need to be coached by someone who has never shown.

Thats sounds a little mean spirited to me..but thats OK..and just so you know, I live on Marthas Vineyard
my name is not Martha, it is Laurene but you already know that

 

[sarnewfie]

ooops, actually i thought it was martha again! LOL
laurene, instead of reading a piece of a post, read all of the words, if you WANT to take it as mean spirited, it is becouse you WANT to.
i already explained it was not meant that way, i am not going to stand on my head and explain it to you to.
take it for what you want, and as usual, you can have the last word.
have fun at the mainland, it may do you good to take a break from the board for a bit

LOL
no need to feel sorry for me, i am probably one of the most happy people around, you have a great day.

[ 04-18-2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: sarnewfie ]

 

[Marthas Vineyard Newfie]

SARNewfie... I feel bad for you, you seem like you a very un-happy. I hope you and your family have a nice Easter