Dog Show Gripe./......

Sorry that happened to you...Glad I have ""NO"" intention of showing Murphy.. and I always thought the show-ring group of people were very supportive of each other..
 
With things that bad in "Showing and Conformation" is it really worth that to you and your dog?? Seems to me that the people that have been showing a long time, have a little more control, power and influence than there suppose to.. makes me wonder, if the 1st place dog is picked way before the show begins.. it all seems rather discouraging to me. Good luck to all you show people, I guess the saying,,"May the best man win" is not in order here.
 

dogger

New member
The sad thing is these people pass it on to their kids. I have had young girls cut me off in the horse show ring. No matter where you are there are rude people who have no consideration for others and will do what ever they can to win and make themselves look better. :mad:
 

sarnewfie

New member
What happened to me is not what i consider "competitive" and not something that we as exhibitors should have to "put up with"
i will not and refuse to give excuses for awful rude behavior and poor sportsmanship and for harrassment.
sorry but i disagree.
yes we do have our chin up, yes we are competitive, but no, i will not and refuse to put up with being "attacked" in the ring.
 

robandrobin

New member
I wonder if this is some of the reason some hire professional handlers? I know even if I was trying to have fun, if I was treated poorly, even though I put up with it, it would definately affect me and my Newfie who would know I was upset. That would pretty much be it.
It's sad. I really enjoy watching others with their dogs and what they do!!! The idea of competition is to have something to compete with who is at their very best. Otherwise how can you judge your own qualities or improve?
Robin
 
Robin, I agree with you 100%..if that stuff is happening in the ring, your dog is going to feel the tension from you, and how is he ever going to perform to his fullest. That is no fair to you or your dog. Sounds almost like a professional hockey game, where the players are alloed to "Check" each other..I have no interest in hockey either
 
Karen, how old is your daughter??? Can she handle the stress of all the mean, cruel dirty stuff that goes on in the ring. If she is young, I would hate to see her be saddened by what she encounters in the show ring.
 

Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
Wow SAR, that's awful. There has been a lot of talk about dog shows lately here in Dayton. The discussion is centered all around "Danny" the Peke that won at Crufts... apparently, he's be accused of having had a face lift. :eek: If this is the case, he'll lose his title!!!

It's my understanding that any dog that has been altered in anyway is not eligible for showing. Yet, I hear reports of Newfs coats being dyed, etc. What people will do to win!
 

BluwaterNewfs

New member
If you the show rules the dog (any breed) is not alter in manner except where descripbed in the standard like for tail docking and ear cropping. THe dog must NOT be neutered or spayed. You'd be surprised at what people do.

The most obvious is the chalking of most of the terriers and most white dogs or dogs with large white areas, Landseers included. It is done right there in the open in th egrooming area. I have heard of people show a spayed bitch - after all, how can the judge tell without looking for a scar. A male is easy to tell -- I know someone is going to say something about a Neuticals (Fake ones for males).

It is a rough world out there in the show ring. I also can't tell you how many times I seen people come out of obedeince ring and hand the dog treat. That means they had in their pocket.
 

ROM Newf

New member
Joan,
The chalk you speak of is considered a cleaning (whitening) agent. Chalking the dog is really no different then all the stuff the owners of blacks put on black dogs (listerine/water, mousse, etc, etc). You can chalk a dog but it has to be removed (blown out) before the dog goes in the ring- same as all the stuff you use- it's supposed to be removed. You were set up with us at last year's National- All those black dogs belonging to Sue, Janet, Kathy and you and then us with our 2 Landseers (and 1 black). We had to wait until all the black dogs were done and put away before we could blow out our girls.
 

Bluedog

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There's been a lot of talk on Showdogs-L about "Danny" the Cruft's Peke. I believe the surgery was to correct an elongated palate, which I understand is fairly common in Pekes. Evidently he had breathing difficulties as a result of this condition and the surgery helped.

If the surgery was for medical and not cosmetic reasons, would that be considered a disqualification? I would think that any alteration that would enhance performance, ie: making it easier for him to breathe while tottering around the ring, or hide a defect or disorder should be a DQ. If he was born with this defect, then can he really be considered the best example of his breed? I'm assuming that he will be, or has already been bred. Isn't the goal of breeding purebred dogs to maintain or improve the structure and health of the breed? O.K., I'll get off my soap box now (stirring up trouble, ducking and running)
:rolleyes:
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Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
You would think that if it were for medical reasons, that it would be acceptable. The initial report that I heard didn't mention that.... the reported was proudly boasting "scandal rocks the dog show world"


I'm relieved to know that it wasn't a facelift.... I really thought that was over the edge!!!!
 

BluwaterNewfs

New member
Here is Chapter 11, section 8 from the AKC rules that govern a dog show. So decide for yourself whethet Danny teh peke is in trouble or not. ALso the rules for Non AKC show may be different especially if in another country like the Crufts show.

Section 8. A dog which is blind, deaf, castrated, spayed, or which has been changed in appearance by artificial means except as specified in the standard for its breed, or a male which does not have two normal testicles normally located in the scrotum, may not compete at any show and will be disqualified except that a castrated male may be entered as Stud Dog in the Stud Dog Class and a spayed bitch may be entered as Brood Bitch in the Brood Bitch Class. A dog will not be considered to have been changed by artificial means because of removal of dewclaws or docking of tail if it is of a breed in which such removal or docking is a regularly approved practice which is not contrary to the standard. Neutered dogs and spayed bitches would be allowed to compete in Veterans Classes only at independent specialties and/or those all-breed shows which do not offer any competitive classes beyond Best of Breed.

When a judge finds any of these conditions in any dog he is judging, he shall disqualify the dog marking his book "Disqualified" and stating the reason. He shall not obtain the opinion of the show veterinarian.

When a dog has been disqualified at a show as being blind, deaf, castrated, spayed or changed in appearance by artificial means except as specified in the standard for its breed, any awards taken by such dog at that show shall be canceled by The American Kennel Club and the dog may not again compete unless and until, following application by the owner to The American Kennel Club, that owner has received official notification from The American Kennel Club that the dog’s show eligibility has been reinstated.

When a dog has been disqualified under the standard for its breed, or when a male has been disqualified as not having two normal testicles normally located in the scrotum on three separate occasions, by three different judges, such dog may not again be shown. When a dog has been so disqualified at a show, any awards taken by the dog at that show shall be canceled by The American Kennel Club.

When the judge of a sweepstakes or futurity finds that a dog is ineligible to compete under this Section, the dog should be excused. A dog may only be disqualified in a sweepstakes or futurity under the provisions of Chapter 11, Section 8-A.

A dog is considered changed in appearance by artificial means if it has been subjected to any type of procedure that has the effect of obscuring, disguising or eliminating any congenital or hereditary abnormality or any undesirable characteristic, or that does anything to improve a dog’s natural appearance, temperament, bite or gait.

Even procedures which are absolutely necessary to the health and comfort of a dog shall disqualify that dog from competition if the former had the incidental effect of changing or even improving the dog’s appearance, bite or gait.

Procedures that would in and of themselves be considered a change in appearance by artificial means and make a dog ineligible for shows include, but are not limited to:
1. The correction of entropion, ectropion, trichiasis or distichiasis
2. Trimming, removal or tatooing of the third eyelid (nicitating membrane)
3. The insertion of an eye prosthesis
4. Correction of harelip, cleft palate, stenotic nares, or an elongated soft palate reSection
5. Any procedure to change ear set or carriage other than that permitted by the breed standard
6. Restorative dental procedures, the use of bands or braces on teeth, or any alteration of the dental arcade
7. The removal of excess skin folds or the removal of skin patches to alter markings
8. Correction of inguinal, scrotal or perineal hernias
9. Surgery for hip dysplasia, O.C.D., patellar luxation and femoral head reSection
10. Alteration of the location of the testes or the insertion of an artificial testicle
11. Altering the set or carriage of the tail
 
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