I have not posted on here in awhile. My Rosie is now almost a year old and she is seriously a HOT MESS...I am hoping for some advice from you guys. She has been to the basic training at pet smart, we are planning on taking her to meet a personal trainer on March 18th. But she is very disobedient. I have tried to let her know she is not the boss, that I am, but she sure does make it hard. She has very bad food aggression with our other dogs, she don't listen if we let her out off leash she don't come, she just looks back at me and ignores and keeps going. I could list a million things she does wrong, but todays episode is why I am writing now. I had taken her out to play ball and go potty, well we came back in. Our outside dog was barking at some stray dogs going by our house. My Newfie Rosie wanted back outside to chase the strays and I would not let her, She barked over and over, through her body weight up against me as I sat on the couch, and got mad, went straight to my bedroom, climbed up and peed all over my bed. I am guessing its a dominant thing. I love her so much, and I have put more effort into this dog, than any other do I have ever had, and she has been the most hard headed, stubborn, and disobedient dog I have ever had. I question if all Newfies are like this from time to time, am I doing something wrong, or did I just get a reject Newfie. lol
Disobedient Newfie
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Wow I am sorry for this experience...sounds like she was really mad at you...I don't have any ideas for you at all but do know that training is an everyday thing with newfies that they are never "trained" where you can just leave them to their own devices...so to speak. I hope others here can give you some guidance on what to do. I had a cat that would get mad at me and poop in the middle of my bed...YUCK...good luck with your girl...
ajcooksey
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We only had Turner have a vengeful accident once when we cleaned his ears I think and he was mad about it. He walked over to the dining room table looked at us and lifted his leg. He was about 6 months old then. The one thing we do with our two is we live by the nothing is free standard for them. If they want anything they have to work for it. If they are being bad that day they have to work for things they normally don't have to such as going outside etc. every time they are fed or given treats or anything they have to hold a sit stay for a random amount of time until we release them. It's random bc after a while they realize how long they have to sit and would release themselves. As for the food aggression I would not feed Rosie in the same room as other dogs and she should possibly eat in her crate. We take ours food away mid meal occasionally and make them sit again before we let them have it back so they are reminded that people can take away their food and put their hands in the bowl. This is just to keep them desensitized so they do not develop aggression. I'm glad you're meeting with a personal trainer and I hope that will help turn things around. Also Turner and Willow don't have free reign over our house. The bathroom doors and guest room and our bedroom doors are all shut they are not in there unsupervised .
DAWNMERIE
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You are fighting with a bratty teenager newf who sounds like she's mighty full of herself. Take a step back.....take a deep breathe.....and go hide in a closet, hahaha just joking....you need to go back to basics. Work on your recall, everywhere with best treats. As for any type of food aggression, I'm sure other can chime in cause I have no experience there. As for the peeing....wonder if maybe she might have a UTI? I don't think that's normal. Right now she's at the age where she will be very playful so making things a game works well. We used to do hide & seek in the yard, when mine refused to come in, also find a magic word....I still use the grandson's name and the word cheese is our last resort. That word generally gets the attention on me instantly.
victoria1140
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Some are more stubborn than others.l train recall with a horse training lead and its only now at 20 months old that Max is allowed off lead with other dogs around. He can still push his luck but everyday he is made to sit and wait for his food .each dog is fed in a seperate corner so l can monitor them.
Definetly try the nilf method and it does eventually get better.
Definetly try the nilf method and it does eventually get better.
R Taft
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It is all about training , training and more training and also being constant. I do like the nothing in life is for free training system to for new dogs and I also use the umbilical system, dog tied to you until they know how to behave indoors.......Recall training to me is looking for great opportunities many times a day, where the dog is asked to come and given a great reward...let go again and asked to come again , over and over. Some people make the mistake of only asking dogs to come when they need/want them to come and instantly restricting the dog by locking up or putting back on leash.........But if you call your dog many times a day and give them a treat and or just a happy verbal reward or even a tug play. you will get a dog that enjoys coming to you. they look at it like a gambler...maybe there is the opportunity to win (Praise/treat). The other part of it is to have the dog on a long line (leash).ask for a come once and if they do not come encourage them in...NEVER, even if it took forever chastise a dog for coming. Once you have chastised a dog , when they came only once, you will find the recall difficult. i sometimes feel like telling a slow reacller off, but when they get there they still get praise with a happy voice..but the ones who come quick get a food reward or tug..........And you need to work on your Leadership.........that does not mean being a mean person, but it doea mean a firm kind positive handle on your dog.......i use a lot of the Jan Fennel/Tony knight system and that is how I manage my pack of 6 of which three were badly behaved rescue newfies. My most recent one is harry and he came to me as Food/people aggressive and dominant...he is not.......He needed some boundaries set and some training put in place. His previous owners said he Pisses everywhere, he does not......Funnily enough peeing in the wrong areas can be an anxiety issu or fear as much as dominant..and I truly hardly every see dominant dogs, mostly fear or confusion or just lack of leadership.
Barking i deal with in a quiet manner...if our dogs bark, i do go outside and look and I say in a quiet voice."thank you, all is fine" and give them a pet and go inside. i take the dog with me and just ask them to go to their place.....they are just telling us they are worried and again it can be that they are worried or anxious about something happening. Us the people being calm and not yelling at dogs really helps.....Also not too much petting when they ask for it, but giving lots when they are calm and settled and you ask them to come to you. one of the first things to show leadership is to totally ignore a dog when you come home.......until they settle and that call them to you, you do not go them. Dogs love to follow and love a good, kind and calm leader to follow.......basic sessions of obedience, for you and your dog are great to...have fun training your dog
Ronnie
Barking i deal with in a quiet manner...if our dogs bark, i do go outside and look and I say in a quiet voice."thank you, all is fine" and give them a pet and go inside. i take the dog with me and just ask them to go to their place.....they are just telling us they are worried and again it can be that they are worried or anxious about something happening. Us the people being calm and not yelling at dogs really helps.....Also not too much petting when they ask for it, but giving lots when they are calm and settled and you ask them to come to you. one of the first things to show leadership is to totally ignore a dog when you come home.......until they settle and that call them to you, you do not go them. Dogs love to follow and love a good, kind and calm leader to follow.......basic sessions of obedience, for you and your dog are great to...have fun training your dog
Ronnie
victoria1140
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As ronnie says
If he is on training lead then l ask him to come back to me, if he doesnt then l gently pull the lead back to me ask him to sit and treat or praise. I dont tell hhim off for not coming back as it makes some dogs edgy as they get mixed signals.you cant let yourself get frustrated when you train as they pick up on it.
Also when in the house l ask them to come and the treat can be food, play or praise.it takes time and a lot of persistent training as with Max you have to convince him it's in his best interests to do what l ask as he is far too intelligent at times for his own good.
If he is on training lead then l ask him to come back to me, if he doesnt then l gently pull the lead back to me ask him to sit and treat or praise. I dont tell hhim off for not coming back as it makes some dogs edgy as they get mixed signals.you cant let yourself get frustrated when you train as they pick up on it.
Also when in the house l ask them to come and the treat can be food, play or praise.it takes time and a lot of persistent training as with Max you have to convince him it's in his best interests to do what l ask as he is far too intelligent at times for his own good.
YorkvilleNewfie
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You have two problems. 1 is that your Newf is in the throes of teenagehood, which is difficult even in well trained Newf pups. 2 is that your Newf has clearly not gotten consistent enough training.
You need to go back to the basics and devote yourself to making it work with the help of that personal trainer. She may be stubborn as all get-out (my girl certainly was and still is, even at 4 years old), but even the most stubborn Newf can be trained to be a sane and *relatively* obedient member of a household, with the proper training, diligence, good boundary setting/enforcement and consistency.
Also. Everything that Ronnie said about recall. All of it. Get yourself a long lead and some delicious treats and carve out time every day to work on it and take advantage of opportunities throughout the day (every day, multiple times a day) to ask her to come and then reward her for doing so.
You need to go back to the basics and devote yourself to making it work with the help of that personal trainer. She may be stubborn as all get-out (my girl certainly was and still is, even at 4 years old), but even the most stubborn Newf can be trained to be a sane and *relatively* obedient member of a household, with the proper training, diligence, good boundary setting/enforcement and consistency.
Also. Everything that Ronnie said about recall. All of it. Get yourself a long lead and some delicious treats and carve out time every day to work on it and take advantage of opportunities throughout the day (every day, multiple times a day) to ask her to come and then reward her for doing so.
jane
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Ditto on what everyone said. She is feeling her oats and will throw a deaf ear any chance she gets. Consistent training is the answer. I remember when my Merlin was about 1, we had done our long morning routine of walking, playing, etc and now it was time for my workout. Well, Merlin was not happy with that. He ran around the house a couple of times, stopped dead on my exercise mat and peed right in front of me on it! Lets just say, that was the last time he ever thought about doing that again. He was a lot of work but it all paid off!
chumleysma
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I had a HOT MESS Newfie at 1 yr. old too. I can't tell you how many times he made me late for work with his shenanigans, even reducing me to tears. We had fun taking obedience classes ever since he was a puppy. We've taken 7 classes so far. He's now a Canine Good Citizen and a Therapy Dog at the age of 4 yrs. Never give up on obedience. They are listening and learning, even when you're sure they're not. By the way, he still steals the slippers off my feet everyday when I pass through the gate with the paper as he did when he was a puppy. My aim was never to break his spirit.
MC Sullivan
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Ditto with everything already recommended. Also make sure everyone is doing the same techniques or training with her. Consistency is key...mixed signals can undo a lot.
Sit stays for food, treats, and coming in or outside are basics.
Never correct a dog that comes to you regardless of how long you have called it or looked for it. Treats and hugs.
Food Aggression (we are going through this with our Penny): She should be fed separately and out of sight from the other dogs. I'd also keep her out of the kitchen or any place where food can accidently hit the floor around the other dogs.
Also our Penny, a very high energy mixed breed rescue, seems to get revved up by all stimulus good or bad. So to correct her we have taken to separating her immediately (not saying anything maybe other than a firm No) and placing her in a room with the lights off. Basically she gets a low stimulus time out for 15 -20 minutes and then I re-evaluate her disposition. If she stills acts belligerant or porky she gets separated again. I do not put her into her crate because she hates it (it increases her anxiety and agitiation...she came that way) and also crates are not supposed to be used as a correction. This works for us as Penny is not generally destructive and won't tear up the laundry room or bedroom.
At a year old I'd also say to give your girl as much exercise and play time as you can manage. It makes a huge difference for our girls and Monty.
Good luck and stay your ground.
Sit stays for food, treats, and coming in or outside are basics.
Never correct a dog that comes to you regardless of how long you have called it or looked for it. Treats and hugs.
Food Aggression (we are going through this with our Penny): She should be fed separately and out of sight from the other dogs. I'd also keep her out of the kitchen or any place where food can accidently hit the floor around the other dogs.
Also our Penny, a very high energy mixed breed rescue, seems to get revved up by all stimulus good or bad. So to correct her we have taken to separating her immediately (not saying anything maybe other than a firm No) and placing her in a room with the lights off. Basically she gets a low stimulus time out for 15 -20 minutes and then I re-evaluate her disposition. If she stills acts belligerant or porky she gets separated again. I do not put her into her crate because she hates it (it increases her anxiety and agitiation...she came that way) and also crates are not supposed to be used as a correction. This works for us as Penny is not generally destructive and won't tear up the laundry room or bedroom.
At a year old I'd also say to give your girl as much exercise and play time as you can manage. It makes a huge difference for our girls and Monty.
Good luck and stay your ground.
Cutiemus Maximus
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More professional training sounds like a great idea, maybe join a training club if you have any in your area so you have more experienced trainers and owners around you. I'd also recommend checking out Dogmantics.com and Kikopup on YouTube, this lady has a great positive reinforcement approach to training and watching her videos has helped me and my teenage puppy quite a bit. Good luck!
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dreamchaser456
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Fortunately, or sadly depending on your point of view, almost all issues can be resolved with proper training, exercise and consistency. That is great news if you are willing to put in the time for as long as needed. I train every day with a 2 year old rescue I've had four months and an almost 4 year old rescue I've had since she was 6 months old. I also still train at last once a week with the 11 year old just to make sure she's still solid on all her important commands. But it's so worth it to have a wonderful loving companion I know I can take where ever I need too. The 2 yo boy is still getting short training a couple times a day since he came untrained, he knows the basics now and we're adding more distraction and distance to training. The almost 4 is about to take her therapy test ( me being not ready sooner rather than her), and get her AKC Community Canine. Teenagers can be fun and challenging but in the end it pays off! I promise if you put in the time and work, are consistent and keep at it, you will have a great companion in the future.
R Taft
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I think there are very few dogs born perfect....Mike and I have only had two newfies that were just perfect and never really needed concentrated training.......Josh and Jessie. All the others, both from puppy and the Rescues have set us challenges.Some HUGE problems (aggression), Annabelle......... Katy was the perfect puppy until she turned 9 months and i thought i brought home the wrong dog......but she came back to normal at 14 months LOL ...Some just naughty and a happy fools......i currently have a young entire male (Harry) who is just a fool and quite naughty. but even tries to push his way around sometimes too. We have had him for four weeks now, he was quiet and worried for the first three weeks....now he is confident and naughty. Training, training and more training, every day and several times a day. But i also have a young bitch (Yussie), she is the same age.i had her from puppy and she is just full on. i have never owned such an energetic newfie before. But she loves to train. the only way to tire her out is training. She is the best heeling dog (from six months) i have ever owned and she loves it. So she has her naughty moments, loves to chew and steal things.........She has lots of toys and gets lots of bones, but she needs constant training to keep her high energy brain occupied, she gets bored so easily. Only when we spend a lot of time training with her is she tired enough to sleep through the night and not get into any mischief and our dogs have free access to a 2 acre yard all day to play...So some of it is training, but some of it is also the dogs temperament and character...i have six at home and I do a lot of obedience, Rally-O, water training agility and whatever.......But Yussie still gets into mischief and Harry is still full on and naughty........Just keep a happy positive reinforcement training thing happening and it will happen, one day, they suddenly know it all and there will be peace
and there will be peace