Collars

aalvarez

New member
Does anyone use choke or prong collars? My trainer is very much against using them--she is a behaviorist. A friend of mine says that it's okay to use them, especially for a 100lb. dog who thinks he's a "sled dog" pulling me around! He's pretty good on daily walks, except when he sees another animal that he desperately wants to play with. Then, he pulls on the leash very hard and off we go!!
 

Shifty

New member
Only thing I would caution is to remember that you are putting a harness onto a working breed of dog. Sometimes theinstict wins out and some of the harnesses equate to "pull".
 

Kodiak

New member
I've used a harness, Gentle Leader collar, choke collar, rolled leather and a web collar. All worked fine during Kodi's growing stages. In obedience class, they suggested the prong collar which made it alot easier for me. It's like having a newfie with power steering. When I get his leash, he comes running and sits down waiting for the prong collar to be put on. He knows we're leaving the house. Around the house and yard he wears his rolled leather collar.

Brenda and Kodi
 

AmyPC

Inactive Member
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kodiak:
It's like having a newfie with power steering.

Brenda and Kodi
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL at this description!!!
 

Elizabeth

New member
I think prong collars are safer than choke, though any collar can be "ok" when you use it properly (or dangerous when used improperly) A prong is used differently than a choke.
I personally don't like Gentle Leaders.

I feel if you are going to do work with Newfs, such as carting/drafting/tracking, the harness should be used for that purpose only. That way the dog knows when the harness comes out it's time to work!

All that said, I've used the prong more than anything with Gracie. She now doesn't need it. I use a Premier limited slip collar for walks and outings. The key is consistancy with training, and plenty of training sessions.

Elizabeth
 

aalvarez

New member
Thanks for everyone's advice! I think I'll have to get some sort of prong collar for daily walks. He is getting so strong now that I need to do something soon to control him better when we go for walks. Plus, I like the idea of having a "newfie with power steering"
LOL He's just a big ol' baby that wants to play with every animal he sees, yet doesn't quite realize how big and strong he is--nor, realizes that Mommy is still attached to the other end of the leash! 92 lbs., but still all puppy
 

Annie Milliron

Alpha Goddess
I also vote for a prong collar. I used to think they were horrible and cruel, and have since learned that I was wrong wrong wrong!!! They have made a huge difference with both Sadie & Kira. Cora and Sailor don't need them. I agree wholeheartedly that they are safer than choke collars. Choke collars can do damage if not used properly.

One other point: for young puppies in our puppy class, we advise people to use buckle collars during the early stages, because the puppies throats are still developing.

When you make the switch depends upon each individual dog... there are several large dogs in this class that are ready!!!
 

Jeannie

Super Moderator
Sam use to pull me around like I was nothing. I finally got tired of it and invested in a prong collar. Best move I made. After one correction she no longer pulls me around. She listens to me better. I no longer have to use it on a regular basis, but every now and then she get a on a binge and I use it just to reinforce that I am the one in control. (At least I like to think so
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bearbearsmom

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I have to cast one more vote for the prong collar. Our first few weeks in obedience class I used a choke collar, which served it's purpose, BUT as he became more familiar with his "friends" at class and also became stronger, it was NOT working. My trainer suggested a prong collar and what a difference. He was hating life for about five minutes because mommy was back in the driver's seat, but is doing very well. My husband said it is "wicked looking", but I pulled it around my arm and squeezed as hard as I could and then was satisfied it wasn't going to hurt him. Anyway, those are my two cents (actually four or five I guess)
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Greg L

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Another vote for a prong.

Way back (in another lifetime it seems (before kids)) when Levi (our first nwef) was in obedience class we were introduced to them. A meek little guy came in with a +/- year old Rott who CLEARLY was in charge of the house (what he was doing with that dog I'll leave for the armchair psycologists to figure out..). The instructor took one look at the situation, walked over to the collar isle (class was in a pet shop), came back with a prong collar and asked to walk the dog. The little guy was protesting that only he could handle the dog
and that nothing the trainer could do would change that. He smiled, put the collar on the dog and started to walk him. The rott, sensing a new person on the leash took off running. The instructor turned around and lunged in the opposite direction. The dog hit the end of the leash (now with the added benefit of going the other way) and dropped like he had been shot. Once he got up he gave a tenative pull on the leash and got a slight pinch. He promptly sat down (we hadn't even gotten to that lesson
) and looked with awe/respect at the instructor. He turned around, handed the leash to the guy and told him to pay for it on the way out
. Levi, being no fool, was well behaved when she saw me get one too.

Used incorrectly (like most anything else) they can hurt the dog. But for most it only takes one major pinch to make them behave (usually only a slight pinch will penetrate their thick skulls to remind them that they really don't want to continue pulling).

Greg
 

Elizabeth

New member
Please learn the correct way to use a prong collar before putting one on

You can also get rubber tips for the prongs.

Elizabeth
 

Shifty

New member
Very good point Elizabeth, improperly fitted prong collars can cause injury to your pup. It's also a good idea not to buy "more collar than you need". I'm referring to the prong size of course, not the length.

Went to Petsmart a few nights ago and saw a "big ole" Mastiff being walked by this tiny little lady. He was wearing a prong collar also, except his was inside out. I debated on saying something thinking maybe he was wearing it as a reminder of his training days. Then I watched him pull this lady through the entire store, an employee from Petsmart stopped her and they discussed proper fit before I had a second chance to say anything.
 

sarnewfie

New member
Never had a bad experience here with a prong, and i agree with elizabeth.
there are also different types of collars, i prefer the more expensive ones, they dont corrode as quickly and are more durable, i have had a few that the prongs just came apart so never do i have JUST the prong on but also a choke for safety just in case the prong should decide to fall apart. :cool:
 

misamala00

Inactive Member
I must say that I'm quite surprised to see how many people are using the prong collars. I have never used neither prong nor the choke collar to train Misha. And she learned to walk on the leash fast. Of course I never went anywhere with her without a toy or at least some food in the pocket.

Mirjam & Misha
 

sarnewfie

New member
i rarely use a prong, but...
Penny will be the exception, becouse even with treats she is a high drive newf, when we go to the beach i do all kinds of obedience to focus her attention on me before we go to the water, it is a loosing battle , the desire to go into the water is to strong, so i will be using a prong on her this summer for that, and for walking, morgan and emmett and Syd will not need one probably ever.
it is a good tool to have on hand, you may be blessed with a demon newf yet ;)
 

Summer

New member
Very good topic!

As ususal, opinions, techniques and even results are varied. We are all working with different personalities in our dogs, so we have to adjust our techniques to allow for that.

I have started with a choke collar on my newf, but she is so competetive that she would ignore the correction. Then for the first time ever, tried the prong collar. It worked very well, however, each time I would correct her, I'd get a conversation from her. It stopped her from pulling but brought out a need of hers to make her displeasure known. Just by tial and error, I found with her, that if I would touch her with my left hand at her right shoulder, she would willingly back-up or stop pulling ahead. This type of correction, she is accepting without any back talk. Now I work her with the prong collar on (just in case I need the stopping power, which I haven't needed) and I carry a riding crop in my right hand. I keep the leash loopy so she does not feel the prongs tighten, and if she starts to get ahead of me, I either put the crop about 6 inches infront of her chest for a visual, or I LIGHTLY tap her right shoulder as I say "heal". She immediately steps back without any displeasure from her. I was told by someone that she would probably do well with the "clicker" technique. I have never used that nor do I know much about "clicker" training so I improvised to work with her personality.

My point is, I find it valuable to hear Karen's experience, something I would not have known could occur and yet hear how well it works for others and the personalities they are working with! I had to modify and apply it a little differently to my dogs personality.

Sharing is so valuable! Thanks to all.
 

berryann

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I have used Gentle Leader collars on all my dogs, and really like them. The obedience club I belong to uses them, as well as nylon slip collars, and I feel like I have good control in "iffy" situations, ie the sudden darting squirrel. With a treat or two in my pocket and the gentle leader, I have no problems walking Annie or my other dogs. My two kids, who both weigh less than Annie, also walk her with no problems. She's had obedience training, but is still a "teenager" - not yet 2 - and the collar gives me the control I need when the verbal command is not quite enough.That's my experience, and I plan to use the collar with the new puppy we are getting in a few weeks, too!
 

MesCoeurs

Inactive Member
Originally posted by aalvarez:
Then, he pulls on the leash very hard and off we go!!
Bear does/did the same thing. Choke collar worried me. He'd pull so hard, he'd gasp and whistle with every breath. I'm not much of a prong-collar advocate either, however, I'm also very partial to having my arm well-attached at the shoulder. SO - in a last ditch effort and with very little confidence that it would actually work, I tried the anti-pull collar. Guess what?! IT WORKS! For the first week, I purposely sought out strange dogs and cats just to prove to myself that it DID indeed work. They're cheap at WalMart for $10.
 

Beth

New member
Hi All , I had a Rottie mix that was an absoulute horror to walk ,( we were the 3rd owners when we got him at 14 weekks ! ) he was a pound rescue My neighbor has a great dane and she told ma about the prong collar... I thought how cruel, BUT after a while I tried one , Instant maners!! We now have a almost 4 1/2 mo newf and with daily walks she does well with not pulling , but I would not think twice if she were a puller. train em young while they are still little ! Beth and Koko
 
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