When is he going to put her in her place

[Goofy Newfy]

We have a 3 1/2 month old GSD puppy. Our Newf Jack, will be 4 years old this summer.

Although, he seems to really enjoy her at times, there are other times, that I can tell he does not want to be bothered. We do not crate the puppy but I can keep her in our gated kitchen and let Jack have the run of the house, which is what I do when I can tell he has had enough. BUT, Jack always wants to be in the kitchen and will stand at the gate looking in. I can't do it the other way around since Sophie will still chew things. When will Jack teach her some manners? I am afraid that he never will and she will be obnoxious with him forever.
We do use a superpet fence that she sleeps in at night but this is only for bedtime and for when she can't be watched. I will put her there if she is getting crazy with him but I try not to use it unless absolutely necessary as it is only for sleeping at night.
I just want him to lay into her a few times to take her down a notch. He did it when she was trying to nose her way into his food dish once but I have yet to see it again, even in that situation. They both will eat from eachother bowls (finally had to get a food that was okay for both ages).

Is he just such a laid back dog that he just doesn't care?

Any suggestions.

 

[luvxl k 9]

Don't worry they only have a puppy license for so long, usually about six months. Then all of a sudden Jack will let the puppy know who's the boss and that her license has expired.

 

[wrknnwf]

I wouldn't depend on him to teach her manners. That should be your job.

 

[Goofy Newfy]

I wouldn't depend on him to teach her manners. That should be your job.

I know this, but when they are playing and he has had enough, the most that I can do is seperate them. Jack will need at some point to let her know that he has had enough, otherwise, I would have to keep them apart forever which isn't my goal for having two dogs.

I want her to have a healthy respect for the elder dog and to realize that he was here first.

She is taught manners from my family and is being brought up properly. I was merely trying to get advice as to if some dogs were more laid back than others to the point where he just wouldn't bother. I am just seeking suggestions, I am not asking Jack to raise her up to adulthood.

 

[charlieinnj]

Jack may never end up putting her in her place. I went through it recently with adding a boisterous female to my home with a VERY laid back male. There have been so many times I wished he would have put her in her place. But if I may add anything, now that she's approaching 11 months, I can say it's gotten a LOT better. Here's my original thread:
http://www.newf.net/Forums/showthread.php?t=98264&highlight=emma+bully


As one person wrote, "This is a direct quote from my highly respected trainer, please affect a Portugese/French accect like Joseph and try to keep a straight face as you repeat after me....READY....

"They don't call them b*tches for nothing!"

I love girl dogs but they do go through a very BOSSY adolescence."

 

[4ondafloor]

It will happen. He's accepting the fact that it's a puppy and with a little more age on the pup, the tone will change and he will let her know when enough is enough.
One thing I would suggest is that you set boundaries for feeding. None of mine are allowed to graze from another bowl. All eat at the same time and not allowed to wander to another dish. Since some eat faster than the others, as they finish they know to exit the room until all bowls are up.

 

[Shel]

I wouldn't depend on him to teach her manners. That should be your job.

I agree with Wrknnwf.

We added a Newf puppy to our family when Joey (Landseer) was four years old. Joey was incredibly tolerant, too tolerant, and Bob (puppy) became pushier and pushier. I too thought his puppy licence would expire one day, but it never did. Bob continued to push Joey around, and Joey just resigned himself to being low dog on the totem pole.

If I had it to do over again I would supervise their interactions and intervene when the pup overstepped boundaries I wasn't comfortable with. I wouldn't isolate the dogs from one another, I would just set boundaries for the pup.

 

[Shel]

I know this, but when they are playing and he has had enough, the most that I can do is seperate them.

This is a great opportunity to teach your pup the command "settle down" (or whatever words work for you). It is handy to be able to give your dogs a cue and have them quieten down, or go to their mats/beds, or just calm down and "chill".

 

[charlieinnj]

This is a great opportunity to teach your pup the command "settle down" (or whatever words work for you). It is handy to be able to give your dogs a cue and have them quieten down, or go to their mats/beds, or just calm down and "chill".

I agree.....My experience with my two did get me to start using the "Timeout" phrase. I'd step in and say "Timeout" and would separate them. They started realizing that it meant it was time for all the foolish carrying-on to stop.

 

[DAWNMERIE]

I'm afraid you'll probably have to step in. The ages of your pups are close to mine. Both of mine are Newfs. At first we did let Zeke handle things. He has very much mellowed and she is still a ball of fire. When they do end up having it out....Zeke just pins Myra and boy does she get nasty.

I began stepping in so that neither one got hurt. I do it for the most part with certain sounds, Myra knows what I mean by those sounds now-for the most part, it's still a work in progress. It's been about 6 months. I do let them have a go, but I now know when I have to step in.

 

[Pipelineozzy]

They are just like people..and some have more tolerance than others. I have a nine month old female right now that is pushy, rammy, and sassie...and I was annoyed with her behaviour LONG before the dogs were. They were so tolerant that I was starting to wonder if she was just going to be the queen and a little tyrant forever. In this situation..it was just a matter of her making the wrong move on the right dog...and she got tuned but good. HOWEVER, there are still a couple of them that just pretty much ignore her bad behaviour..so I have to step in with those ones. I agree with Debra about boundaries for feeding...mine all eat together but know that they have THEIR own dish, and they are not to cruise other dishes. She struggled with this in particular, so I made SURE she ate with the dogs that would not tolerate dish cruising..and she has that idea down pat.

She wore a little bit of food a few times learning it..but she learned it...lol.

 

[AngusMcDubhsMom]

That's always been our defining quote about Gracie too. As someone else said, someday her puppy license will expire and he'll have had enough, when she's about 5 or 6 months. But it doesn't hurt for you to set boundaries for her too, or come to his rescue when he's had enough. Have you tried an X-pen for the kitchen? We did, which allowed Angus to be in the kitchen with me and she was there too, but confined to her own area. They also had their own food "areas". Aren't puppies grand??