Training Newfie yourself?

Broseph080

New member
So if I end up getting a Newf in the near future why can't I train it myself? People say to take it somewhere and have you train it with a "professional". I know as much as some trainers do and I've trained 2 other dogs with no problem. Is their anything wrong with just training it myself? I plan on putting around 30 minutes to 1 hour everyday into training alone. Thoughts?
 

Brandie&Maggie

New member
I personally feel that going to a class is important even for the most experienced trainers. It teaches the dog socialization skills. It also means there are distractions that are not present at home. The dog needs to be able to focus on you in many situations.

It's also really helpful to have someone else watching you and giving you tips or pointing out things you may not notice.

You'll still train your dog at home too of course.

I've been around dogs for a long time and did several classes with our last newfie. I "know" how to teach basic stuff. But we still pay for classes and go to them with our newest rescue. It's key to our bonding and success.

I believe most reputable breeders will also require at least one professional class in your contract.
 

mcme

Member
I agree. One of the biggest benefits you get from a class is the exposure to other dogs. I'd at least do a group puppy class for the social exposure.
By the way, I read the thread about getting a dog in college, and everyone had valid points. I made the same objections to my son and his girlfriend when they got a dog in college. Six years later, that pound puppy is a wonderful, very loved dog. They're married now and have added a second dog to their family. Some people are just dog people and are willing to make the commitments a dog requires. It sounds like you're one of those people.
 

wrknnwf

Active member
That depends on your training methods.

Sure, anyone can teach the dog to do very basic commands, but can they do it so they don't damage their relationship with the dog or cause physical harm? Newfs are so sensitive both emotionally and physically that they can "shut down" in no time flat, and you can permanently damage their bodies if you don't know the correct techniques. These are not tough dogs in those respects. And they need to learn more than the basics. They are smarter than most people know, and do best when they learn beyond simple commands.

If you think that teaching a pup to sit by pushing down on his hips is a good method, then think again. If you think that teaching "stay" means giving the command and then walking across the room to face the dog, you've got it wrong. If you believe that shouting at a dog, whose hearing is already far superior to yours, or smacking him if he's naughty will "teach" him, sorry, you just lost a lot of your status in his mind. You just became an A-hole to him. If you think that jerking your dog's collar is a way to keep him from pulling you off your feet, be prepared for some very expensive vet bills.

If you think spending one 30 to 60 minute training session per day sounds right, then you will fail miserably and your dog will be bored, unhappy and unresponsive. One of the keys to successful training is to make the dog love it and leave him wanting more. Short sessions, many times a day for the LIFE of the dog. Don't expect to attend a 6-8 week course and then be trained. Or to teach a simple command at home and expect he's learned it. It takes continual practice. It's like raising a child. You don't send him to kindergarten and then think he's ready for the world. He has to be taught HOW to learn, then he has to be schooled for many years, and practice his eventual career for more years to come. Education never ends. Just ask your folks. But the good part is, that if you know how to teach a dog using the correct techniques, its an immense amount of fun for you both! If learning/training is not fun for you and the dog, then you're doing it wrong.

Humane, positive reinforcement dog training is a skill that is best learned from those who have experience in the art. And certainly not your average TV dog training instructor. Methods have changed drastically over the years and there is legitimate science to back up modern humane techniques. It's not your grampa's dog training anymore.

Even the most highly experienced dog owners, those who show or do working events, breed, or just keep them for pets, take their dogs to classes even though they have long possessed the skills to train them by themselves. It's about knowing what is best for the dog and about responsible dog ownership. I don't know one long term member of our club who doesn't take their pups to classes and continues with those classes long term. Even dog training instructors take their dogs to other instructors classes. I used to instruct for years, and always took my dogs to classes. To this day, my fellow instructors and I consult on a regular basis. It's not just about teaching behaviors like sit and down.

A good dog training instructor is there NOT to train your dog, but to train you. Just like your college professors. They will teach you about canine behavior, how to recognize those behaviors, control, redirect, extinguish, how and when to reward, and more. And they will be there when you run into trouble, which you will. We all do.

Plus, if you ever think you might want to do water rescue work, therapy, obedience, or draft work with your Newf, you need to know how to teach the basics correctly and how to give the proper commands and then build on those. Establishing a connection with your dog, sharing a common language with him and building trust can be made or broken with training techniques.

And, if you train by yourself, you miss the very most important benefit of going to a class. Socialization. I can't stress enough how important it is to thoroughly socialize any dog. A poorly socialized dog is a everyone's worst nightmare. Combine that with the fact that Newfs with bad habits (or one that has no respect or trust in you) are horrible to live with, and both you and the dog will end up very unhappy.

Seriously, a lot of your buddies will abandon you if your dog does not possess good social skills. They won't want to come over to your place and they'll never invite you to bring your dog along. They will not think you are cool just because your dog is big. It's enough to ask them to put up with the large size, hair, and drool, but an unsocialized dog, too? On the other hand, you will gain an enormous amount of credibility if you have a well trained, good mannered, "happy to oblige" dog. They will look to you for advice on how you did it. I'm not even going to say how girls respond to sloppy, smelly, naughty giant breed dogs.

It's not unheard of that Rescue had to put a dog down because he was not good with other dogs and/or people. Dogs can be a very dangerous liability in that respect.

Of all the responsible qualities that a good dog owner should possess, training properly is up there near the top of the list. It's especially important with large breed dogs. Its some of the best money you will ever spend, IF you find a good instructor. Go here APDT to see if there is one in your area.
 
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mcme

Member
wrknwf make a good point about instructors. Talk to the instructor and observe a class before you sign up. Be sure you are comfortable with the methods they use.
 
Sometimes it depends on the dog. I think all puppies benefit from some sort of socialization classes, like others mentioned above. When it comes to actually training the pup and correcting undesirable behaviors the dogs personality play a big part. I only ever owned 1 Newf and I am a newbie to the breed, however, I have owned Mastiffs for over a decade. I had one male Mastiff that was always willing to please and learned very fast. On the flip side, I had a Boerboel that was very difficult to train, even with professional help. My Newf puppy falls somewhere in the middle and I'm considering hiring a professional trainer to help me help her. My mastiffs required very firm leadership, but if I get too firm with my Newf she shuts down. I grew up with show quality Newfs and the breeder was always involved in the training. The best advice I can offer is find the right breeder. There are breeders out there who stay very involved with you and the dog and educate you on being a good owner. You will come across so many other breeders who will sell you an adorable Newf puppy for half the cost and you will never hear from them after they get your money.
 

Broseph080

New member
Thanks for all the advice! I've never looked at it like a socialization class or anything like that! The only socialization type training around me is at Pet smart. Should i try to find somewhere else or is that a good place to go?
 

mcme

Member
I think the pet store ones depend on the individual trainer. You could watch a class to see what you think. Also, try googling dog training for your city. There are probably some individual trainers that do group classes. I took Dublin to classes two ladies held in a church parking lot. They'd been doing it for twenty years, and were wonderful.
 

Brandie&Maggie

New member
Yeah, at Petsmart it depends on the trainer for sure. We went to a class there and it was wonderful. But I've seen other instructors who I didn't like at all.

You may be surprised at what you find if you look around. I've lived in my town for 6 years. I needed a new trainer for our new rescue and found an experienced newfie owner/trainer who lives 5 minutes from me with a wonderful facility. But I never knew she existed.
 

GAD

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Staff member
A good dog training instructor is there NOT to train your dog, but to train you. Just like your college professors. They will teach you about canine behavior, how to recognize those behaviors, control, redirect, extinguish, how and when to reward, and more. And they will be there when you run into trouble, which you will. We all do.
This is so true. It's a humorous take, but my recent Cozy Tale about Ginny the dog trainer includes that the fact that she was there to train *us*. And brother, did we ever need training!
 

shellyk

New member
This is a really great post! Wrknnewf's post has so many good points. Many of them should be their own STICKY. When you take your puppy to a class the other smaller breed puppies will do the puppy sit ups over and over and be happy. Your giant breed puppy will grow tired and bored of that repetition and will be asleep before the end of class. I remember one instructor in a puppy class with our female Newf explaining to the class not to feel bad that Ziva would do a down stay and their puppies wouldn't. I said yeah, that is a normal position for her and she's past done for today.
 

Broseph080

New member
That depends on your training methods.
Of all the responsible qualities that a good dog owner should possess, training properly is up there near the top of the list. It's especially important with large breed dogs. Its some of the best money you will ever spend, IF you find a good instructor. Go here APDT to see if there is one in your area.
So I researched local training sessions in my area and the only thing i could find is Petsmart and I was reading through reviews and 9 out 10 were very poor reviews. Id rather not hound my dog on treat training. Thoughts?
 

Angela

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I took Decker to puppy classes at Petsmart and thoroughly enjoyed it. He learned to do things around the customers in the store, like, come when called etc. It was great for socialization and the instructor was good.

Here we have all breed clubs that hold obedience classes training all levels of obedience so don't know if you have those in your area. They are run by volunteers who have put obedience titles on their dogs, have attended seminars etc.

I have trained my Newfs for 28 years and they have had various titles from CD up to UD as well as Rally RAE. I initially just took my first rumbunctious puppy to a class and got hooked on training. This ,has created wonderful bonds with me and my dogs.
 

wrknnwf

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So I researched local training sessions in my area and the only thing i could find is Petsmart and I was reading through reviews and 9 out 10 were very poor reviews. Id rather not hound my dog on treat training. Thoughts?
Oh yeah, I have thoughts that I think you will find useful, but I'm going to email it to you because it's SO long, I would have to split it over too many posts. Hope that's OK.

Edited to add: Go visit the Petsmart classes now. Watch how they train, talk to the instructor after or between classes. Make your own informed decision and remember that people are far more willing to post bad reviews than good ones. Learn to read between the lines on those reviews. Too often, those bad reviews are because that person failed somehow. No matter what it is that they paid for, they often didn't know what they were paying for, or maybe didn't follow the instructions, or do the required homework/assembly/etc. Not necessarily the manufacturer or instructors fault. You won't know how good the instructor is until you see for yourself.
 
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BoundlessNewfs

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This is a really great post! Wrknnewf's post has so many good points. Many of them should be their own STICKY. When you take your puppy to a class the other smaller breed puppies will do the puppy sit ups over and over and be happy. Your giant breed puppy will grow tired and bored of that repetition and will be asleep before the end of class. I remember one instructor in a puppy class with our female Newf explaining to the class not to feel bad that Ziva would do a down stay and their puppies wouldn't. I said yeah, that is a normal position for her and she's past done for today.

When we took Maggie to classes, she was about 4-5 months old, and liked to go to sleep about 8pm. Her class started at 7:30, so she would do the sit, or down/stay, and while the rest of the puppies were trying to figure it out, Maggie would fall asleep. When the trainer was ready to move to the next lesson, she would tell me to wake Maggie up, so we could continue. That always got a chuckle from the class.
 

Broseph080

New member
I plan on going to see a class within the next few days or so. Ill post here to to what i have to say about the trainer. If the trainee doesn't do a good job and gets poor reviews should i just try to find someone around my area (which i haven't found anyone yet)? and if I can't find one I plan on just training my dog in a public place (on my campus) where people are always coming by. There are also plenty of dogs around so my newfie could have plenty of socializing opportunities! Thoughts?
 
I think that's a really good idea. When I first got Ella I socialized her daily at my son's preschool in their playground. Now when the kids on my street are playing and being loud, it doesn't even phase Ella, she just adores children. One thing to be aware of is that even the gentlest of Newf pups should be supervised at all times around children. Sometimes they get too excited and could accidentally hurt a child by running or jumping into them, not to mention that kids can be pretty rough too.
 

mcme

Member
Colleges are great places to socialize puppies! When Dublin was a puppy we used to take him to visit our daughter at a large state university. It's a great way for a pup to meet lots of different kinds of people.
 

Shel

Active member
You don't mention where you live, perhaps there are others on the list that could recommend a trainer in your area. If I were you, I would contact Newf rescue, Newf clubs, and Newf breeders in your area and ask them for their recommendations. If that fails, I would contact other (non-Newf giant or large breed) rescue groups, clubs, and breeders and ask for their recommendations. You would be amazed at how helpful dog fanciers are, even if it isn't "their breed". Keep in mind you may have to travel to get to a good instructor. I train my dogs at five different training facilities. I match the instructor/method to each dog depending upon their current needs and my challenges. The closest training facility is 40 minutes from my home, the farthest is 90 minutes. I am now training my 13th giant breed (#11 is actually a Corgi, but he's giant in spirit) and I am still learning something new with every class I attend.
 
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