The term "Irish Spotting"

[Tracy]

Does anybody know the history of the term "Irish Spotting" on a Newfoundland?
Tracy

 

[Garden_girl]

Well, don't quote me on this, but I read that the 'spotting' gene (which causes the white spotting) was first discovered in an Irish rat in Great Britain. It kind of makes sense since rats are used for all sorts of genetic studies.
Newfs aren't the only breed that are Irish spotted. Dogs aren't the only animal that carry the gene, but I've never heard anybody say "look theres an Irish spotted rat".

Edit: Ummm, I forgot to mention that I have an Irish spotted Newf. *Duh*

[ 08-20-2007, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: Garden_girl ]

 

[TerriW]

I had one too. I didn't know I did until I became a NN member! I always loved Morgan's white "Mickey Mouse paws", chest, underbelly and tail tip. I just didn't know he was anything but a black and white Newf.

Sigh. It's been two months since he crossed the bridge. I did love that boy so much.....

 

[Erika]

to ya TerriP

 

[momsdog]

so, what other breeds of dogs have the Irish Spot gene? Gracie is an Irish Spot...goes with the crackhead gene!

[ 08-21-2007, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: momsdog ]

 

[TerriW]

heh heh I think Bennie has the crackhead gene too!

 

[Yogi & Cordelia's Erin]

uhm,
Isn't there an irish spotted setter?

Or am I making stuff up?

Incidentally, if someone could visually represent the difference between irish spotted and landseer to me (ie with pics) I'd love it. I get the two confused all the time.

 

[Sailorgirl]

This is an irish spotted newf (in this case, white tip on her tail, white chest, some white feet extending up the leg):

Here's a good previous discussion of irish spotted newfs that goes into some of hte genetics behind it:

http://www.newf.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007046#000000

 

[Sue M.]

Scroll down and read the last paragraph on the home page of this website.

Dog Facts - Newfoundland

Lauren, Boundless Newfs, also has a spotted Irish Landseer named Maggie.

If you scroll down about midway you'll get to some Irish Spotted products for sale:

Boundless Newfs at Cafe Press

 

[momsdog]

erin, might I just say that that princess is a most excellent example of an Irish Spot...Beautiful of course!

 

[momsdog]

well, there's an Irish setter...red of course, and there's an English Setter, which is black and white spotted, if i'm not mistaken.

 

[NinaA]

There is also a spotted Irish Setter. This is actually the original coloring, but it's not a marking like Irish Spotted Newfs. It is a white dog with orange/red spots.

 

[Garden_girl]

Originally posted by momsdog:
so, what other breeds of dogs have the Irish Spot gene?

Aussies, Danes, Collies and Lowchens are the only ones I'm familiar with, but I'm sure there are more. Irish spotted is merely the common term associated with the color/pattern marking gene found originally in the (supposed)Irish rat.

 

[KatieB]

Berners are all Irish Spotted...they have the white blaze, white feet, tip of tail and chest. The brown markings is a different gene that was bred in, but the base of all Berners is Irish spotted.

 

[momsdog]

Never thought of that...guess that accounts for why I am so taken with Berners

 

[Tracy]

Thank you,
One learns something new every day.

We had a dog weekend event at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History. It is an annual event celebrating dogs as everyday heros. One of the pups in our group was an Irish Spotted Newf and a beautiful puppy.
I never pass up a chance to take our dogs to work. It was a great weekend to do Newf demos and to just meet and greet. We had 10 Newfs participate and 3 Berners as well. Along with other breeds also. It is truly amazing how many Newfies and thier owners that came to this with such short notice.
Thanks again,
Tracy

 

[Yogi & Cordelia's Erin]

I get it now.
Irish spotted newfs are black on the tophalfs (in essense) and need to have white bellys and white feet.

It's like someone forgot to dip them in the soot all the way .

Landseers have white everywhere, including their sides and backs.


So look at a Newf from the side,and draw an invisible line across the armpits area.

White below WITH white paws is an Irish spotted.

White above that line ... Landseer?

am I getting this right gang? I'm just trying to come up with a way to explain it to friends of mine who are thinking about getting a Newf.

Basically, Irish Spotted is a term for a particular coloring pattern.

I never knew Berners were based in that spotting but it sure makes sense.

 

[BLCOLE]

Originally posted by Yogi & Cordelia's Erin:


am I getting this right gang? I'm just trying to come up with a way to explain it to friends of mine who are thinking about getting a Newf.

Per the AKC Breed Standard for the Newf, a Landseer is a WHITE dog with BLACK markings. I take this to mean that a Landseer should be "MOSTLY" white for judging. Required BLACK markings are the HEAD (with or without white blaze), a black "SADDLE" and a BLACK area on the rump. "Ticking" should be kept to a minimum.

 

[KatieB]

I think you have that right Erin. This was discussed on Berner L which how I learned all Berners are Irish spotting. It was defined there as having white on all the furthest areas from center so you see it on the nose, chest, paws and tip of tail. It is a black dog with white markings where the Landseer is a white dog with black markings.

 

[N2N Mags Dad]

Maggie qualifies as irish.