Question about color

[BoundlessNewfs]

I have a question about color. Our breeder stated that our pup is considered "off-color", so couldn't be shown...otherwise they would have kept her as breeding stock, because she would have been show/breed quality, if not for the color.

She is black, with fairly symmetrical white markings on her feet, chest, chin, and nose, with a snip of white on the tip of her tail. Are the blacks with white markings considered off-color in the show ring?

You can view pics of her here: http://www.fototime.com/inv/55CED8C8A029AB3
Just double click on the first thumbnail pic, to see them larger.

I'd love to hear your opinions, since I've never shown, or been to a show which featured Newfs.

 

[Giddyuppy]

AKC

If you haven't read this, it may answer you, or it may provoke even more questions.

 

[Jeannie]

I may be wrong, but your newf is know as an Irish Spotted. Usually the result of breeding a Landseer and black. It is considered a mis-mark and should not be bred/shown because they have too much white.

 

[alexmaddy]

Yes. I believe Jeanne is exactly right. I also have an Irish Spotted mismark newf. Here she is:

Madison the Irish Spotted Newf

I also don't show my dogs, and just wanted the newfie temperament. I think the Irish Spotted markings are very beautiful and unique, however.

You have a lovely dog! mj

 

[sarnewfie]

Hi there, your newf may be irish spot, also might be a "badly marked landseer"
it could be either, dependant on the mom and dad, what are they?
ROM knows about this and can help greatly as i am still learning.
my emmett i was told is a badly marked landseer, but some think he is I.S.
his dad was landseer, mom was black.
you can show them, but normally it depends on the extent of the white, and if they are marked extreme, it will take tonns of $$$ becouse you will need only the best of handlers on her, and that is if she turns out nice.
i studded emmett out, to morgan, and we had one pup,almost legally marked with white markings and two landseer pups out of it.
There is no law that says she "cant be bred"
but sire should be chosen only with the best educated mentor to guide you, and only is she is a good representative of the breed.
breeding is not black and white, there is so much to be considered when matching a female with a male.

[ 11-11-2003, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: sarnewfie ]

 

[sarnewfie]

http://www.newf.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000085
here is an educational thread for you new2newfs
this one discusses the irish spot.
there are lots of threads in the past, asking questions of color, so go thru them.

 

[BoundlessNewfs]

Thanks for the input. I was told that her parents are both Landseer recessive. They both are black. The sire's father was black, but the grandsire is Landseer. On the mother's side, similar history.

Maggie has black body, with four white socks; the tip of her tail is white; a moderate sized white area up her belly and chest, to her chin; then a white triangle just above her nose which narrows into a slight smudge up between her eyes.

We bought her as pet quality, never intending to show or breed, but the AKC site described a black with white paws and white on chest as acceptable markings...so we were confused. She really is a pretty girl, and solid as a rock, with those great droopy jowls and eyes.

 

[sarnewfie]

there also may be other recessives that your breeders dont know about or they may have thought one was L recessive and with this breeding found out that one of them actually was not, and if you go to the newfoundland club of america website, you will find the markings that are "legal"
also look under the showplace for the "monsiuer" post, there is a pic of a black with white markings that is winning in the ring, not sure he is I.S.
or a badly marked landseer.

[ 11-11-2003, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: sarnewfie ]

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

Rory's brother had 4 white feet and a white tip on his tail and was not going to be shown because of these markings. Personally, I love the markings.

 

[janices]

The NCA Illustrated Guide might help.

http://www.newfdogclub.org/a_ftp_main_directory/ftp_major_documents/illustrated_guide.pdf

They're penalized to the extent of the deviation from standard. I saw ticking in the white. Ticking is also considered not desirable. So, when too many faults kinda considered spinning your wheels going in the show ring. People would rather have an easier to finish with colors judges go for. Judges seem to prefer black and when you get into white and black and brown and gray the newf has to be along the line of hardly any deviations.

 

[johanewf]

Color is secondary to type, structure and soundness... A personal montra of mine.
see how she fills out, if she looks good
show her and have some fun. There is always
water work, obedience, and draughting. Make
the most of their time while their with us.

Roxy,PC and
Eric
Pic 9 of 66 is Roxy

 

[johanewf]

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4130071&a=30754600&f=0

Pics of some different Landseers

Roxy,PC and
Eric

 

[tonkatruck]

i think her colors are very pretty even if you can't show her. i think the white paws give so much more personality.

 

[brendapiepiorka]

Great photos! beautiful dogs too! Looks like you might be quite imformative to this group! Love the cat too. Haven't welcomed you before roxy/eric, but welcome and keep the pictures coming.

 

[ROM Newf]

You probably could show your Newf in the US. Years ago hardly anyone ever showed a mismark- but there are more and more out there now. As to whether it is a poorly (excessively) marked Landseer or an Irish Spotted, that would depend on the pedigree and what each parent (and grandparents) carried. Since you said the sire was a Landseer, the dam would either have to carry the Landseer gene (making your Newf an excessively dark Landseer) or the Irish Spotted gene- which would make your Newf an Irish Spotted. What your Newf actually is can only be determined by knowledge of the pedigree.

 

[BoundlessNewfs]

Both of her parents are black. On her sire's side, the grandsire was black and the granddam was white/black. The great grandsires were both described as white/black, one granddam there is no color description, and the other is described as black with white markings.

I haven't printed out the pedigree info for her dam yet. I'm going to do that soon.

This whole color thing is so interesting!