Do These Symptoms Belong Together? (long)

Bucephalus

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Bo has been acting a little strange lately. For the past month he has been becoming suddenly afraid of things on our normal walking routes about 75% of the time. Sometimes it's obvious what makes him afraid (hoses/ rope/ certain cars), but other times it seems like a smell will set him off and then he goes wild sniffing the ground the whole way home, much more intensely and frequently than usual. We initially thought it was a fear phase, but he is almost 20 months (do fear phases continue to happen after 18 months in large breeds?), and the fearfulness has been going on for quite a while and seems to be getting worse. On walks now, he often stops on the sidewalk behind me because he doesn't like something ahead of us. I can usually get him to move a few steps, but he'll keep stopping until we shift direction (this has been occurring just in the past week). If our friends' dogs join us on a walk, he is fine. If my husband and I walk him together he does pretty well, but if it's one of us alone he gets scared.

He has also been eating grass almost every morning when we let him out back to pee, then vomiting it up about 50% of the time.

This morning, his poop had a thick mucus membrane on half of it (the second part). He has had poo problems (mushy) on and off since we adopted him. It varies from morning to evening, even!

I posted a while back about how much he barks at the TV, and that seems to be getting worse. When we move him to a time out, he barks and growls and swings his head around like he's going to bite (but doesn't). Seems like a regression to adolescent behavior. He's also not listening as well when we practice obedience at home or in class.

Obviously a blood test should be done to rule out thyroid problems and we plan on getting him to the vet soon. But does this sound like thyroid? Fear phase? Pain from elbow and hip dysplasia? Something to do with eyesight (he is blind in one eye)? Allergies causing him discomfort? I'm just curious if any of these symptoms stick out to any of you as being connected so we can have some idea of what to test first.

**I should also mention that some of the behavior (fear and barking at the TV) seems to have gotten worse since we had a foster in the house, with whom Bo did not get along exceedingly well. They tolerated each other and played some, but she was very dominant with him (lots of mounting, growling, neck biting, etc.) He had terrible food aggression with her and tried to attack her (fortunately they were separated with a babygate). We ended up having to walk them separately and feed one while the other was out of the house. And we have fed Bo with our friends dogs, side by side, without a problem. Sorry this is so long, I'm just trying to figure out what the underlying causes might be...

Thanks!
 
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Angela

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Firstly, do you still have the foster at your house and if so, how much longer will she be there?
Next, I would go for a full blood panel including thyroid.
 

Bucephalus

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Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention we rehomed the foster after 3 days because of the conflict. Also, vet appointment scheduled for today at 2pm :)
 
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Bucephalus

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Ordered a full blood panel and MSU full thyroid panel. Should be about two weeks to get results from MSU, but will hopefully get the other blood test results tomorrow or Thursday. Our vet thought there might be some peripheral vision loss in Bo's good eye. :( Seeing an opthamologist on Thursday morning to have both eyes examined.
 

dumainedogs

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I don't have any answers for you. The thyroid panel sounds like a good place to start. I can only offer up that from my experience with fearful Obie what had been random, fairly mild fear reactions when he was younger did seem to increase between 2 & 2.5 years. I've worked with a vet/behaviorist to address his issues with both training and medication and we're having good success. Hope you can get to the bottom of what's up with Bo.
 

Bojie

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Leahs Duncan who is blind in both eyes occasionally reacted to scents. Contact her if you can, I think she had a lot of similar experiences. If his other eye is deteriorating, this may be the cause of a lot of these issues. This sucks, I'm sorry:( Poor Bo.
 

new_2_newf

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hon, how long has it been since the foster left? about a week or so? he might still be feeling the affects of his world being tossed upside down from that as well. It sounds like a lot of what he's doing is a stress reaction. I could see that being amplified by a loss in vision or feeling crappy if something else is going on.
 

Bucephalus

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Beth, the foster has been gone for about a week. But Bo has been acting fearful since mid-July. I hope you're right that maybe he's just still wound up after having the foster with us. In any case, we'll get a good idea of how his whole body is functioning - and maybe it will all turn out to be fine, in which case, we'll consult a behaviorist. Thanks everyone for the input!
 

Bucephalus

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His good eye is in great condition!!!!!! The vet said he has developed incredibly strong muscles behind it, which allows him to move it more than normal dogs. So instead of turning his head to look at something, he just turns his eyeball (silly goose!). Bad 3-D vision, but that's okay.

Our vet called and the full body blood panel was "within normal ranges." I'm still waiting to get a copy of the results so I can check out the numbers. The MSU thyroid panel is still out and will probably be another week and a half. He seems to be showing fearfulness/anxiety even more now, though. Barking more at the TV, etc. On the plus side, he seems to have virtually stopped barking at dogs on walks (???). Maybe he is just in a serious state of adolescent to adult flux? I'll post when we get the thyroid results. He does have quite a few hypothyroid symptoms listed by Dr. Dodds... flaky skin, diarrhea, lethargy (or is that just because he's a Newf?), hyperexcitability, hind end stiffness, etc.
 
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Acadia

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Beth, the foster has been gone for about a week. But Bo has been acting fearful since mid-July. I hope you're right that maybe he's just still wound up after having the foster with us. In any case, we'll get a good idea of how his whole body is functioning - and maybe it will all turn out to be fine, in which case, we'll consult a behaviorist. Thanks everyone for the input!
Oh, the trainer With whom Cadie and I did a series of classes told us that somewhere between 6-8 mos. or so pups go through a phase of being fearful,of things that didn't use to bother them. She said to make light of it (like, "oh Bo, look at that silly dog, oh my goodness that is one silly crow! Giggle giggle). She said it goes away usually. Maybe Bo is experiencing this?
 

BoundlessNewfs

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I would guess that a lot of the behavior stems from the foster and how upsetting it was for him, to have her there. It may take a lot of extra love and patience and a return to "working mode" (obedience on leash) to work through this. The reason I say to work with him, is that our dogs always seemed to click into a different mindset, when they knew they were "working", and that made it easier to keep their attention and divert them from other distractions.

Hope you can get to the bottom of this. Good luck!
 
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Bucephalus

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UPDATE:

We got the thyroid results back, and everything is within normal range.

I'm wondering, though, if it might still be a good idea to get Bo on medications since some of the results show he's on the low-end of the ranges. Here are his results with the normal ranges in brackets:

TT4 43 [11-60]nmol/L
TT3 0.9 [.8-2.1]nmol/L
Free T4 18 [6-42]pmol/L
Free T3 1.8 [1.2-8.2]pmol/L
T4 autoantibody 13 [0-20]%
T3 autoantibody 6 [0-10]%
TSH 6 [0-10]mU/L
Thyroglobulin Autoantibody 4 [0-35]%
 
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