Age for PennHIP?

McNewfie

New member
Hi,

I just took two of my Newfoundlands (ages 20 months and 13 months) in to have PennHIP radiographs done today at Cornell University. The orthopedist told me that they were too old to PennHIP and it should be done by 8 months of age for an accurate reading. I have NEVER heard this before and have had a number of Newfs done there (even over 2 years) and was not told this. I was always told that you actually get a better reading the closer you get to 2 years? I found this on the PennHIP site:

"How Old Must My Dog be to Have a PennHIP Radiograph?

PennHIP has studied the efficacy of this method from the eight weeks up to three years of age. The PennHIP method can be reliably performed on a dog as young as 16 weeks old. Passive hip laxity at 16 weeks correlates highly with later hip laxity. In other words, a dog's hip laxity at 16 weeks will be much the same at one year, two years or even three years. The accuracy of laxity measurements for German Shepherd Dogs less than 16 weeks of age is not high enough to be of clinical use. Other breeds require study to determine the earliest reliable age of evaluation.

The looser the joint, as determined by the PennHIP method, the greater is the chance that the hip will develop DJD. (The standard hip-extended method can actually mask true hip joint laxity). There are obvious advantages to screening dogs for hip joint laxity at 4 months of age (or six months, 1 year, etc.) as opposed to waiting until 2 years of age. The reliability of the PennHIP method slightly improves with age, with one year 1 year being marginally superior to 6 months, which in turn is marginally better than 4 months. For all dogs, we recommend when possible, to use the mean (average) of repeated evaluations to get a more reliable estimate of a dog's hip laxity status (phenotype)."

So unless I'm am reading this wrong, the vet at Cornell is mistaken. I have a call in to PennHIP to talk to someone about this, but thought I'd ask others for their opinons/experiences.

Thanks!
 

ardeagold

New member
I don't know, but when we PH'd Molly we waited until she was two so we could also submit to OFA for a clearance.
 

wrknnwf

Active member
I wonder if this is a position that Cornell is personally taking? I guess they could refuse to do anything if they thought it wouldn't be of value. But it is strangely conflicting. I don't see 8 months being mentioned in the Penn-Hip quote.

It does seem like Penn-Hip is suggesting that around 1 year is the optimal time but only slightly. Without going to their website, what you quoted above wouldn't make me think that an dog which is a few months older would be rejected.
 
Hi

I do most of mine when they are over 8 months. The only time I do it at 4 months is if there is something I am seeing in their gait that I wonder about. I have also done several at 12 months or older, and 1 girl we acquired as an adult was 3. I'm not sure what Cornell was talking about, as I have never heard this and we've been using PennHip for 10 years.
I guess it could be that they are in the process of changing their recommended ages, but I've never heard that any age is "too late" for PennHip. I have heard, with both PennHip and OFA, that the younger they are the better the reading is.
Interesting.
 

McNewfie

New member
I just heard back from PennHip ans this is what they say:

Hello Lois,

you are absolutely right, PennHIP can be done at any age above 16 weeks, the closer to 1 year of age the dog the more accurate, accuracy only increases slightly between one and two years of age. We frequently recommend rechecking hips of dogs with laxity when their first evaluation is at a very young age. If you only want to do PennHIP once however, we recommend that the dog be close to one year of age.

So yes, you can have your dogs PennHIPed at 2 years of age or older and get an accurate reading of passive hip laxity. Once your dog shows signs of arthritis however the measurement can be affected.

Sincerely,

PennHIP Administrative Center
3900 Delancey St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6010
 
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