want a newf - frustrated with breeders

[ROM Newf]

8-12 Newf pups is considered a large litter. The average for the breed is more like 5-7. My average for the last 5 litters was 2 1/2 pups per litter but I still had the same expenses- pre-breeding costs, stud fee, supplements, whelping costs,etc. Yes, my vet bills were lower (not as many puppies for shots, exams,etc) but I didn't even approach a break-even point. (Of course we don't tell my husband this)

I have a question for SAR tho- you said something about the cost of renting a room- Renting a room? Where? For what?

 

[Jeannie]

SAR,

I respect your post about the costs of responsible breeding/breeders. I have a question--What is this "room rental"? Does your vet charge for a room? I have worked for 2 vets AND a responsible newfoundland breeder and never has there been a "room charge" even when the bitch needed an emergency C-section. I think I would question your vet about that!!!

 

[sarnewfie]

Yes guys, if halfway thru the delivery, say a pup is stuck and we need oxytocin or however you spell that, i run her in with the pups already delivered and we take up a room that is supposed to be used for clients, we are taking away a room and setting the clients with scheduled appts behind, they are now down to two rooms to get all their appts done, in the meantime we get the shot and assistance to deliver the rest of the pups, the cost i think, was 50$ plus anything else needed, plus the cost of an assistant, so all in all i think that fair considering we are taking away from the people already scheduled.
this did not happen with penny, she had all nine pups in 5 hours, once the last pup was done, we wisked everyone in, for lungs checked to make sure they were free and clear of fluid, and penny for xray to make sure all was clear and free, and it was up to my vet to give the oxy shot to clean her out, i believe we retained one placenta.

does this help? i am not good at explaining this! LOL

 

[sarnewfie]

In answer to the question on 300$ poms, last i heard many toy breeds are going for 2,000.00$ ad 3,000.00 dollars, these from show breeders not pet breeders, the pet breeders are now 4 to 500.00 so if only 3 pups and if they are 3 thousand each, they make 9 thousand dollars and out of that expenses must be covered.

 

[Zatara and Merrick's Mom]

$3,000? Sheesh! I had no idea small breeds were going for so much! I bought my pommie 2 years ago for $250. He has relatives (dam/sire/siblings) that are show dogs, but he was purchased for pet only. His breeder is very respectable and is not breeding to make money either.

I did not know that 8-12 newfs was considered a large litter. Thanks for the clarification, ROM newf.

 

[Crispinbear]

In the UK prices are around £700-£1000 so I guess about the same as in the US.

In France the prices are much less I have seen pups advertised at about half that cost.

I paid £800 for Mulberry and I think she was worth every penny her mummy and Daddy were fantastic.

Crispinbear

 

[dogger]

I have put out feelers for another puppy in the beginning of 2004. The breeder I have been talking to is in CA. I want a show dog. Her prices are 1500.00 to 2000.00 which seams very reasonable. She will not breed her dogs unless they have championed in conformation and have hearts and hips cleared.. so you also need to take into consideration the cost of traveling to all the shows not to mention the grooming and hotel rooms and.....

 

[NewfieSkydiver]

Our pup cost us $1200 with a limited registration due to the Dam's hips not being OFA certified. No dysplasia, just didn't meet the stringent qualifications... Even at the cost of our new family member, it was well worth it. They had the Dam re-checked for heart, then puppies were delivered c-section, and of course heart checks. Our vet was really impressed with the thoroughness Cru Newfoundlands provided in documentation of everything from shots, worming and of course the blood lines... You get what you pay for... And Bismarck is worth every penny. He's 10 weeks old today!!

 

[Snow Angel]

As usual it is buyer beware and there are so many out there to take your hard earned dollars and to mess with your emotions as dogs that are not healthy or have genetic faults or breeders who become the unreachables and the list goes on.The peace of mind of finding the right breeder as the saying goes "priceless"

 

[mainenewfie]

Hello from Maine! This is my first post. I have a Newfie/Lab mix, 120 pounds, has all the best of both breeds. We paid $200.00 for him, he is almost 4 now. He doesn't drool a lot, doesn't shed an awful lot. Not quite as furry as a full newfie. I would love to have another just like him! He sleeps with us, rides with us, loves people, gets real upset if we have to leave him with grammy for a day or two! He is our baby. Loves water & kids, still a big puppy at heart.

 

[mainenewfie]

We found another newfie/lab mix at www.petfinder.com. I have mentioned this in another post, but you may want to look here. We won't get our new one until June 14, he is 9 months old, his name is Reuben! Good luck!

 

[bsallazzo]

Just my opinion, but I sometimes wonder about the cost myself. We paid $1000 for our newf two years ago, with a limited registration. Other than annual vet visits, we've had no problems with her.

She was from a litter of 13 pups. Do the math.... somehow, I think $ was made... but I could be wrong! All pups were born at home, no complications. I know first shots/microchips etc., cost money, but somehow I don't think they cost that much! I'm not trying to upset anyone, and considering a litter this size is not the "norm", I understand that not always is there a profit. But, sometimes I feel like nobody wants to admit there can be a profit either.

Just my two cents - hope nobody gets offended...

 

[BluwaterNewfs]

THere are all sorts of test that are done before you breed your bitch and if own the stud, the cost of those tests also. There is the stud fee, and if the stud lives out of the area, the cost of shipping the semen and doing the artificial insemenation.

Also before those pups go home there is the cardiac check along with those first set or 2 of their shots.

Granted, if the litter is a large litter you MIGHT make something, but that is exception not the norm.

 

[Khiori]

This thread reminds me of a post that came over Newf-L years ago. Sorry if it's off taste but thought I would share it

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,

HI. IM LOOKING TO BREED MY 3 YR. OLD PUG JAKE. HE IS PAPERED, IM LOOKING TO HAVE HIM FIXED SOON BUT I WOULD LIKE ONE OF HIS NAMESAKE TO CARRY ON HIS NAME. IM NOT LOOKING FOR MONEY BUT I WOULD LIKE ONE OF THE PUPS. PLEASE GET I TOUCH WITH ME MAYBE WE CAN TALK. MAYBE YOU CAN PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH SOME ONE WHO CAN. THANK-YOU


Hi Gossimer,

This proposal sounds intriguing. I'm currently looking for a fawn stud for my BISS Ch Larimar's Stardust CD, CGC (BIS/BISS Ch Larimar's Chip of the old Block ROM*** x Ch Jill's Win-Chimes of Lil Mite ROM***).

What line is Jake from and what is his percentage/ratio for linebreeding/inbreeding/cofactor? I apologize; but I'm not familiar with his callname.
I'll need to know Jake's CERF, OFA patella luxation, and OFA CHD certification numbers, T3 & T4 test results, number of occurrences of hemivertebrae, PDE, and cleft palate through the fifth generation. Just to be on the safe side, I'll need a negative brucellosis and bordetella licensed veterinarian certification from you. It's not a bad idea to get a VetGen phenotyping either.
For the future Get, I'll also need copies of Jake's titles and his AKC and/or CKC registration number(s). I'm especially interested in copies of his PDCA ROM and additional stars awards.
Since there's no stud fee involved, I assume you'll want pick? Dog or bitch? Will you be willing to agree to 1/2 the caesarean if
the cause should arise? If the whelps are larger than 6 ounces at parturition, it will be necessary. This seems only fair. Last time I got a good break and it was only $500, but unfortunately that vet retired this year and the new owner has raised everything to almost double! It's hard to find a good pug vet!
Will you be doing a natural or artificial? If artificial, I'll need you to send the frozen semen Overnight Express Mail. I'll be willing to split the cost; $500 should cover it unless you are on the East Coast, then I'll send $750. Please let me know where to send the check. I think it's only fair that you take care of the semen analysis expense since I will be doing the whelping and training. You should be able to find a Canine Semen Bank and Collection/Storage in your area. Be sure to get at least three vials.
The last time I looked into having it done, it was about $900.00--a lot less than before since more and more people are doing it.
If Jake does natural, let me know which airport to ship to (if you are out of CA). To take care of my dam, I'll need to have an
overnight or early, early morning delivery time. Since it's getting warmer now, it's best to plan for you to pick her up after midnight. Even with a cool down mat you never know with these brachceapholoids ( I probably misspelt that, but you know what I mean! . Be sure to take MC/VISA or cash since the counter-to-counter service does not accept checks. Let me know after they tie three times and then I will let you know the return arrangements. She ovulates late, so she may be two or three weeks at your house. I'll get her to you by the tenth day just to be sure we don't miss it or she absorbs.
Double check with your home owners insurance plan to see that it covers visiting matrons in case anything should happen. A BISS
CH/CD/CGC should be covered for a minimum of $5K.
Since her cycle is so late, you'll need to purchase Solid Gold. I can't send enough in the crate. It generally runs $40 a bag. Be sure to get the Seameal, Pet Tabs Plus, Concept-A-Bitch, and Red Raspberry Tea Leaves too. Also, she'll need 500 mg. of Ascorbic Acid, 200 mg. of Tocopheryls twice a day with tepid water. Not too hot because she will grow finicky.
Be careful not to give her A palmitate since this can increase the chance of cleft palate and I don't want to have to cull. It's a good idea to give her organically grown-pesticide free calf liver. You'll need to prepare it yourself since she doesn't like pre-packaged brands. It's best to buy it in 50 lb. bulk and boil it all at once. Be sure to keep skimming the foam off every 15 minutes because she
doesn't like it slimy. Bake it afterwards until it's a good baiting consistency then vacuum-pack and freeze it. The whole process should only take about 12 hours. In a hurry you could get it down to 10 hours.
You won't have to worry about splitting the vaccination costs for the litter. I give my own now and that will save you half of the normal $480 or so. You can help out with the title rebates if you'd like.
Your pick should be ready at 12 weeks. I'll let you know the whelping date so that you can plan the transportation. I assume you already own a Sherpa? That's the best way to go if you're out of CA, otherwise you can drive to pick it up--just bring along a Vari-Kennel.
What are your club affiliates? I don't recognize your email address off the top of my head. I'm DPCA, PDCA, NCPC. If your not
PDCA, we can work on getting you your two letters of recommendation.
Well, let me know when you have all the necessary paperwork done. Also, please send me Jake's AKC certified 4 generation with coat colours and his best win shots so that I can make coloured copies.