Incontinence questions again

bria

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A number of you responded to my concerns about Bria (about 2 months ago) and her licking her vulva. The vet was treating her for hotspots and I knew this couldn't be right. Thanks to the wonderful responses I received I was able to go to my vet and tell her I need Stilbersterol. She doesn't give that but gave me Propalin. I was told to give it to Bria 3 times a day and that's all she told me.

My question is do I start to slowly wean her off daily? I know she has to be on it for life but I thought I remember someone saying that they can go down to once a week. Also I've been giving it to her twice a day not 3 times a day and she stopped licking herself within the first day. How do I proceed with this? Should I test her by weaning perhaps going to once a day and so on. I've been very lucky in that I haven't had any animals on meds for life so I haven't any experience in what I should be doing.

Susan
 

ardeagold

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I got Proin for Mira. Our Vet doesn't use the hormones for "leakage" anymore. The Vet told me to use it (50mg) 2x a day, and that's considered to be a very low dose. Mira weighs about 115 lbs. I've used it once a day and it worked just fine. Then I went to once every other day...still worked.

Is that the same thing? Phenypropanolamine?

I think that the dosage varies with each dog on an "as needed" basis.
 

bria

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Donna I don't know if Propalin is the same as Phenypropanolamine I think on-line it may have been called that as well. My vet doesn't give Stilbersterol and apparently PPA isn't available anymore (or not in Canada anyway). I was told to give it 3 times a day but am only giving it twice and it is working. I did re-read the thread I posted a couple of months ago where someone had posted another thread for me about this. I saw that some had great success with Sudafed which makes sense to me now. I had a client of mine read the ingredients (she's a retired nurse) and she said this is like meds for sinus problems. I also saw the post where someone treated it holistically which was quite interesting. I know she has to be on it for life but I didn't think she would have to be on a daily dosage. Does that sound right? Bria weighs the same as your Mira. I guess maybe you have to play with it and judge for yourself. I certainly don't mind having to give it to her twice a day I just worry about any kind of drug. It's not expensive. The bottle cost $77 and will last for 2 months.

Susan
 

bria

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Yes Donna I just checked on-line and here's the first line describing the Propalin which is the same as what you are using I'm guessing.

Generic Name Phenylpropanolamine Brand Name Propalin, Proin Type of Drug

Susan
 

ardeagold

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It's not the same thing as Sudafed. Sudafed is also a decongestant, as is PPA, but it's a different medicine. I'd stick with the PPA if it's working!
 

ardeagold

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Well, use it once a day only at night and see how that works.

Also her lethargy might not be related to the PPA. It's not an antihistimine (like Benedryl is) so it's not something that would normally make them drowsy.
 

victoria1140

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maddy my jrt was on propalin and she became a complete zombie on the stuff so much so that we would rather put up with her incontinence and give her quality of life instead
 

bria

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Oh your kidding about Maddy. I'm not surprised because as I said a client of mine (a retired nurse) read the ingredients and said it was like sinus or allergy meds or something. I would so put up with Bria's incontinence in a heartbeat because I really hate drugs but the poor baby was licking herself raw and that's why I can't stop the meds. Not for the mess which, by the way, there never was any because of how clean she was keeping herself but she was infected her vulva by the licking. Good to hear your story though. Funny one of the side effects I'm sure was hyperactivity.

Susan
 

bria

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Thanks Donna maybe I will try once a day at night. Great idea. If it doesn't work I can go back to twice a day.

Susan
 

Bailey Boy

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My Tootsie was given proin for her incontinence back in August, with her LP and the listed side effects of this drug I chose not to give her this med. Instead she is on 425mg of crancaps a day and it seems to have helped her. So far knock on wood she hasn't had sleep accidents since.
 

bria

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When you say Crancaps I assume you are referring to Cranberry fruit extract pills? I have been given that to Bria and Sherman as well on a daily basis. I only just started this. I really hate meds and the long term effects and the side effects. Again Bria is keeping herself so clean that she was getting rashes. If not I would not have her on meds for slight leaking or even heavier leaking. As of today I am trying the once a day to see how she responds. I will continue with the cranberry.

Here's what I pulled from a post some time ago and I may even try this.

Susan

My female also suffered with incontinence after she was spayed. I did not want to put her on meds for it (if I could avoid it). A Herbologist gave me this simple recipe:

Combine equal parts of Oatstraw, Plantain, Corn Silk, Nettle Root and Horsetail. Make an infusion and feed 1 tsp/20 pounds twice daily. Can be used long term though after 6 months you should be able to wean her off of it. Then feed only for a few months every year to fortify her system.

It took 4 months (approx) to build up in her system. We went from having a soaked Newf with a horrible rash to a dry Newf. Herbs certainly take longer than medications to "kick in". Just thought I would offer another option.
 

Bailey Boy

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Yes it is the cranberry pills. I made a copy of the recipe you posted, thank you. I don't like to give a lot of meds if I don't have too.
 

victoria1140

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well I will have to try the recipe for Maddy definetly, we have been giving her cranberry tea mixed in with her dry food, it has helped her at night time though during the day we have accidents if we dont let her out fast enough.

At 16 1/2 I dont want to stress her system and as we are coping with her going blind am limiting medications to natural stuff as much as possible though she has her heart medication. Mind you doesn't stop her telling Beau off
 

bria

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Victoria at 16 1/2 my hat is off to her. Way to go lady. So I will continue with the cranberry pills. I did it originally for Sherman but then started to give it to Bria as well.

BaileyBoy I totoally agree with you. I have successfully treated numerous things holistically and will continue to. Plus these meds they're on clearly states that it does not cure them only controls the symptoms. Seems to me if there's a way to boost their system so that they don't have to take the meds I'm going to give it a shot.

Though I would like to know how the heck one makes an infusion?

Susan
 

Tug

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You can make an Infusion like you're making tea, only let it steep for 20-30 minutes.

Tug's been wetting himself since becoming sick. He woke up in a puddle this AM...
I think it's the meds, and drinking a lot to deal with the fever.
Any ideas?
 

Pipelineozzy

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PPA and propalin are essentially the same thing, . PPA IS available in Canada, from Summit Veterinary compounding pharmacy. It's a chewable tab. PPA does not work like stilbesterol..which you can reduce the dose with some dogs needing it only once a week after the initial dosing, PPA must be given daily. some dogs only need it once a day, some need it twice. My dog is on PPA twice daily, has been for almost 2 years, and will be for life because of her urinary issues. Since it's not a case of spay incontinence, stilbesterol would not help in her case. If it would, I'd rather use stilbesterol.
Both are available in Canada, and your vet can get either.
 

Pipelineozzy

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Also, PPA used to be in sudafed, but it no longer contains it. It was taken off the market several years ago. Sudafed is still available, but cannot contain PPA.
 

bria

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What meds is Tug on Terri. Also are the meds making him drink more which will make him go more? What's wrong with Tug I may have missed your initial post? I now know how to make an infusion thanks.

Cindy thank you that's where I got the idea that some could take it once a week. I wonder why my vet said she won't give Stilbersterol. I deal with more than one vet so maybe I should try the other one and ask him. I would love to be able to give meds only once a week. I just worry about meds.

Either way I am going to try the holistic approach also. In the long run I think it's better for Bria.

Susan
 

Tug

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Hi Susan,
Tug broke a claw/nail bed and it got infected. The Vet put him on: Novo-Lexican, 1,025mg twice a day, and liquid Meloxicam @ 1.5cc's per day.
The Meloxicam is done, and he should be done the Novo-Lexican by tomorrow night.
The Vet says neither of these meds should make him incontinent.
He thinks Tug's drinking a lot to deal with the fever and the meds affect on his tummy, so I've been getting him out plenty! Still, last night it happened again...
The urine is quite diluted, like I said; he drinks a LOT. But he seems to unhappy when it happens. I've been sleeping on the couch to be with him and he wakes me up, looking all dejected :(
 
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