How To Evaluate Breeder's Websites (NCA Page)

[Social]

Crap! I posted by accident that time! It's late
Anyway they bred for traits that would make good hunting dogs, or pets.

The Japanese bred large guardian type of dogs but found them to be to lazy to guard their temples, so they bred smaller more active dogs to act as alarms by biting the larger dogs or barking at them.

In the old west they bred dogs that could assist them in cattle ranching.

The Indians and Japanese used their dogs for hunting and I would very much doubt that any if them were members of a hunt club.

 

[Social]

Oh and one more thing before I hit the rack, the St. Bernard was bred in a monastery, and almost became extinct due to parvovirus, again I dont think the monks were members of any breed clubs. But maybe in this case they should have been to learn more about parvovirus. But they were able to bring the breed back without any help from a breed club. I think they were reputable even without a breed club logo.

 

[911Newfs]

For someone whose reason in joining this list was "Looking for advice with for keeping my old newf comfortable," it appears that you really do not need advice or help. Looks like you have everything figured out and are knowledgeable about all there is to know. Sorry you feel so strongly about clubs; wish you the best.





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[Sound Bay Newfs]

But is a common misconception that the breed club will offer the buyer some type of assistance should something go wrong.
You send up enough "red flags" and you will eventually red flag yourself out of existence.

Never heard that a breed club would offer "assistance should something go wrong". I don't think any buyer expects that.

 

[Sun Valley]

There are some very unrepeatable breed club members, just the same as non breed club members. Joining a breed club does not make the breeder any less human and also does not offer the buyer any type of protection, should something go wrong. But is a common misconception that the breed club will offer the buyer some type of assistance should something go wrong.
You send up enough "red flags" and you will eventually red flag yourself out of existence.

What breed clubs have you been involved with? And why would you make the statement "misconception that the breed club will offer the buyer some type of assistance should something go wrong."

What kind of assistance are you looking for? Have you ever helped or volunteered at any of the kennels clubs? Your only to get out of these clubs what your willing to put into.

The red flag warning that was added to the NCA web site is a 'guide' on how to buy puppies and what to look for or what to watch for. We have all seen these elaborate web sites all over the internet advertising puppies for sale. These people are getting very savvy and know what to say to an unsuspecting buyer looking for their next family pet. Most of the info. is just not true. People need to be aware on the proper way to buy a puppy and what to look for and what to stay away from.

LA

 

[Codes]

he breeds mostly for profit,

huh......who knew. You can actually MAKE money by breeding dogs?:shrug:

Not in my world. And more than likely not for the other serious breeders on this list who try to do things right. Sometimes I think us breeders must be a little touched in the head to do what we're doing.....:banghead: There's expense after expense after expense, and often times some heartache along the way. Breeding is NOT easy and it does take a great deal of thought, time, love, research and commitment to do so. It's certainly something I don't take lightly..

 

[Cascadians]

I am a newbie and ask a lot of questions at club meetings, also via email to club members. I go to almost all the meetings and events. Learning a lot. My club is full of old guard members, several NCA board / judges etc and they are exhausted from years of volunteering, expenses, rescues etc. I have to pester and speak up to remind them newbies want info and training. There are a lot of newbies in my area scared of the club but desperate for info. Autism makes the social flak easier so I just keep hammering away at newbie stuff and at the last meeting got the club to schedule some training meetings. I volunteer and at the moment am having 1st draft, water test experiences as an observer to learn the ropes a bit.

A breeder should be involved with the local and national clubs, and encourage the puppy buyers to do the same. Networking, training, info is really important. Owning a Newf is a monumental undertaking and the owner needs a network of support and info.

Where there are gaps in my local club, I fill by joining other clubs. Eventually I will contribute to my club with this knowledge and experience. One gets a lot more out of the club experience by being active than passive.

Neighbor has always had hunting labs. Trains his puppy all day every day in playground across the street. For generations has gotten his dogs from a breeder who is in several clubs. Neighbor is curmudgeon, scornful of clubs, but proud of his breeder's record and involvement.

Being in a club involves time, expense, commitment, but is important for the breed. If all the old timers get exhausted and ossified, who will take up the torch? We newbies are the future and have to work hard to learn.

 

[911Newfs]

The red flag warning that was added to the NCA web site is a 'guide' on how to buy puppies and what to look for or what to watch for. We have all seen these elaborate web sites all over the internet advertising puppies for sale. These people are getting very savvy and know what to say to an unsuspecting buyer looking for their next family pet. Most of the info. is just not true. People need to be aware on the proper way to buy a puppy and what to look for and what to stay away from.

LA

Absolutely! And, while no club is perfect, we continue to network and try to improve many things within our breed. I would make a good wager that a very large portion of members on NN, Newf-l, and other such forums are indeed members of a club, be it a Breed club or an All-Breed club. And I would also guess that most of the information people come to these forums for is the information gathered from clubs and their members to share with each anyone, whether they are a club member or not.

If one looks at a lot of the BYB and Puppy Mill site, those very same people have “taken” the information from Breed sites to use, hoping to make themselves appear more reputable than they truly are. Yet it is these same BYBs and Mills that tout they are not members of clubs for various reasons – they do not need the support of clubs, they do not perform health testing because they never had problems before, and the list goes on. I find it very ironic that they continue to “take” and use the information from clubs while at the same time trying to convince buyers that clubs are useless.

Buying a dog is truly no different than making a purchase of anything else – you get what you pay for. There are some things that just cannot be “discounted” without reason. And when someone pays dues to become a member, this money is used in various ways. Accounting is disclosed in meeting minutes, breed publications, etc. for all members to see.

You posted that your reason for joining this forum was to learn more about how to keep your “old newf comfortable.” What is it that you would like to know – what are the issues with your Newf? Ask these questions and see how many club members will readily respond and happily provide you with the information you seek. Club members keep their “old newfs” whereas BYBs and Mills typically put them down when they are no longer of use in producing litter after litter after litter. Who would you rather ask this information from – them vs. us?









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[Sun Valley]

huh......who knew. You can actually MAKE money by breeding dogs?:shrug:
There's expense after expense after expense, and often times some heartache along the way. Breeding is NOT easy and it does take a great deal of thought, time, love, research and commitment to do so. It's certainly something I don't take lightly..

Your right MaryK, and the so called breeders that are making a profit are the breeder's that only breed to their own dog/s time and time again, don't do the proper health clearances and never 'go out' of their kennel for stud service regardless of pedigree's or if the dogs should be bred.

LA

 

[Social]

My old guy passed, but I found the info I was looking for by lurking during his last days.

This wasent ment to be an argument, just an opinion.

 

[Pipelineozzy]

Hes not involved. He's a disabled alchaholic, he doesn't do anything that doesn't involve drinking. He fell down an elevator shaft during a job (elevator inspector for the state) some 30 years ago.
I visit him from time to time while my friend is in town, and he would rather be shot in the big toe then to join any club, for competition or any other reason. He's on old fella, and lives very much a hermit life. His name is Kris and I don't feel comfortable posting his last name because of the personal details I posted here. Obviously I don't think he would be too happy about it.[/QUO

LOL..that's a bit scary. Someone who hunts with their dogs and doesn't do anything that doesn't involve drinking... I'd imagine he probably has to breed his own hunting dogs!! If he's drinking and hunting..he won't have to shot in the big toe by anyone else!!!:lol:

 

[Social]

Wow Cindy, that's rather insensitive.

 

[Pipelineozzy]

Oh and one more thing before I hit the rack, the St. Bernard was bred in a monastery, and almost became extinct due to parvovirus, again I dont think the monks were members of any breed clubs. But maybe in this case they should have been to learn more about parvovirus. But they were able to bring the breed back without any help from a breed club. I think they were reputable even without a breed club logo.

I'm not sure where you got your information on St. Bernards, but parvo virus was not discovered until MUCH later...If I recall correctly, it was the late 60's or early 70's..and the first I can remember of it in Canada was actually early 80's. As for "bringing the breed back"...they mixed another breed IN to do that...Hopefully with the advent of clubs and associations...there would always be enough contact and people involved in a breed that the need to mix breeds to reinvigorate would never happen now.

 

[Pipelineozzy]

Wow Cindy, that's rather insensitive.

First off..there was a smiley attached...
But realistically..it's basically common sense that guns and liquor don't mix..and honestly? There is no way I would ever sell a dog to someone who was going to go drinking and hunting with it.

 

[Angela]

Social, how involved have you ever tried to be with your local clubs, you are in Oregon aren't you.

There are a couple of clubs in Washington and Oregon that I have had the pleasure to get involved with over the last 23 years of Newfs. I have always done obedience trials, rally trials and draft tests down there and found the people from both clubs very friendly and helpful.

I am not a member of either club down there but willing to help when I go down.
Maybe you could check the Oregon club out, I think also the Columbia River club has social (no pun intended) activities you might be interested in.

 

[BLCOLE]

It's regretable that you have learned "nothing" from association with breed clubs..as when I was a novice..my experience was the total opposite. I was eager to learn, asked a million questions, and was able to find a mentor that has stuck with me for almost 30 years. And at this point, while I still consider her to be my mentor...and the first phone number

I've been a member of a wide variety of organizations over the years. Its been my experience that you get something out of membership only to the extent that you put something in...

 

[Pipelineozzy]

I've been a member of a wide variety of organizations over the years. Its been my experience that you get something out of membership only to the extent that you put something in...

So true Brad...this needs a "like" button!

 

[Cascadians]

Angela, I've finally met some of the folks with the Columbia River club and they are super nice! I want to join as soon as I'm able to get to their meetings.

Water Tests coming up this weekend at Horseshoe Lake sponsored by Pacific Northwest Newfoundland Club -- PNNC.

 

[Sun Valley]

So many people complain that other people in the clubs are mean or won't talk to them....not everyone is going to hit it off with each other, but when people constantly complain about not being treated well, I'm suspicious and think there may be something wrong with the person doing the complaining.

LA

 

[Sun Valley]

Social, can tell me what clubs you have belonged to and where your located at please?

LA